Sports Personality of the Year 2015

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It isn't diluted.

Fury beat the man that no one could beat and the dominant force in the heavyweight division. The lineal champion. The man EVERYONE viewed as THE champ. He did this against massive odds.

If you surveyed a number of random people I bet more would know what the HW title was and that it means more in the sporting world.


Sadly, seemingly most folk [these days] are aware of boxers because they are unable to keep what comes out of their gobs under control... Power of the media to stir up interest in a sport flagging for interest...
 
But there is two champs and he has had to give away a belt

Fury did well beating an old man on his downward turn in his career

And still isn't the undisputed because there is another champ

It's meaning IMO has massively reduced over the years and the whole multiple belts are a bit of a joke

What Fury did isn't any higher an achievement than the other world champs in the list - in fact prob below them all because they all beat everyone in their field and they are the only World Champ as opposed to one of two or even three or possibly 4

Hahaha he didn't GIVE his belt away. He was stripped becau.......

You know what you're right. As always.

I knew it was a mistake debating with you but I was stupid enough to try. You honestly suck the life out of every thread at times
 
Hahaha he didn't GIVE his belt away. He was stripped becau.......

You know what you're right. As always.

I knew it was a mistake debating with you but I was stupid enough to try. You honestly suck the life out of every thread at times

So let me get this right - when you don't like what someones has responded with an opinion that's different to yours you throw your toys out and stamp your feet with accusations ?!

You said it's one of the greatest achievements in sports

Where as I don't believe it is because of the reasons given - are my reasons not valid then ?
 
But there is two champs and he has had to give away a belt

Fury did well beating an old man on his downward turn in his career

And still isn't the undisputed because there is another champ

It's meaning IMO has massively reduced over the years and the whole multiple belts are a bit of a joke

What Fury did isn't any higher an achievement than the other world champs in the list - in fact prob below them all because they all beat everyone in their field and they are the only World Champ as opposed to one of two or even three or possibly 4

Whilst I'm not a fan of Fury, and that can be said of a lot of people, but to demean his accomplishment in that fight like that is, well :rofl:

Hahaha he didn't GIVE his belt away. He was stripped becau.......

You know what you're right. As always.

I knew it was a mistake debating with you but I was stupid enough to try. You honestly suck the life out of every thread at times

:thup:

not sure about "at times though" :mad:
 
Hahaha he didn't GIVE his belt away. He was stripped becau.......

You know what you're right. As always.

I knew it was a mistake debating with you but I was stupid enough to try. You honestly suck the life out of every thread at times
Yes but if Phil was not here everybody would miss him, keeps the place interesting most the time.
 
If it was a toss up between watching the Davis Cup Final or a fight to decide who would be Undisputed Heavyweight World Champion at Boxing,


What would you watch.........? Boxing for me, every time!:thup:
 
I'd turn both off and read a book.

SPOY stopped being interesting a long time ago. Boxing is so fragmented now, pay per view has taken it away from most of the public so most no longer care about boxers and how they progress. So different from the 70's and 80's but those days will never come back. Tennis just doesn't do it for me. Great team effort by Murray, a genuinely world class player but I just find the sport dull.
 
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Tennis for me every time. I was at Loftus Road to see Barry McGuigan beat Pedroza in 1985 but the multitude of titles now available at every weight has just lost my interest. A world champion is anything but - unless they hold them all.
 
Tennis every day of the week

Would watch some boxing weights but not heavyweight
 
So let me get this right - when you don't like what someones has responded with an opinion that's different to yours you throw your toys out and stamp your feet with accusations ?!

You said it's one of the greatest achievements in sports

Where as I don't believe it is because of the reasons given - are my reasons not valid then ?

Your reasons are your reasons. I don't agree with them.

Like I said. If you randomly asked a person on the street they'd recognise the HW championship more and think it was the better achievement.

As for throwing my toys out the pram. Mega mega LOLZ at that coming from you
 
Your reasons are your reasons. I don't agree with them.

Like I said. If you randomly asked a person on the street they'd recognise the HW championship more and think it was the better achievement.

As for throwing my toys out the pram. Mega mega LOLZ at that coming from you

"IF" though - it's all pure guess work though isn't it

Even now Fury is disappearing into the background until he opens his mouth again

The Davis Cup will be recognised by more in this country now - because we won it and the achievement appears to be rated higher hence why Murray won and Fury wasn't even in the Top 3

For ages people did respect the Heavyweighg Divsion but IMO it became a non event for most , I have no idea which Klitchsko is which and which one Fury fought because IMO over the last decade it's disappeared as a contest because of their dominance and the amount of different champions there can be

Boxing overall IMO appeal goes up and down and in recent years it's been down and going down - I don't believe it grabs casual viewers only the hardcore fans and that's because PPV fights trying to bleed money
 
"IF" though - it's all pure guess work though isn't it

Even now Fury is disappearing into the background until he opens his mouth again

The Davis Cup will be recognised by more in this country now - because we won it and the achievement appears to be rated higher hence why Murray won and Fury wasn't even in the Top 3

For ages people did respect the Heavyweighg Divsion but IMO it became a non event for most , I have no idea which Klitchsko is which and which one Fury fought because IMO over the last decade it's disappeared as a contest because of their dominance and the amount of different champions there can be

Boxing overall IMO appeal goes up and down and in recent years it's been down and going down - I don't believe it grabs casual viewers only the hardcore fans and that's because PPV fights trying to bleed money

I agree on the PPV comment. They should be for super fights that can't be made otherwise, not an aim for a fighter.

Fury actually finished 4th, which wasn't too bad. I didn't even know who 2nd was as I'd never heard of him. Like I said the SPOTY is a total worthless award. A bit like the 'take a break soap hunk of the year' award.
 
Excellent:rolleyes: just what we need, another Phil-a-like, I said "IF" not "MUST" or "HAD TO"


Well that has just ruined my Christmas. Okay then, tennis but I would be reading my book under the table. I think the lighter weights at boxing can be interesting but the heavyweight division is just so slow and ponderous that I don't find it interesting.
 
I agree on the PPV comment. They should be for super fights that can't be made otherwise, not an aim for a fighter.

Fury actually finished 4th, which wasn't too bad. I didn't even know who 2nd was as I'd never heard of him. Like I said the SPOTY is a total worthless award. A bit like the 'take a break soap hunk of the year' award.

Would it had been worthless of Fury had won ?

It's an award voted by the public

The sportsman and women don't see it as worthless as you could see by their appearances at the event itself - that to me suggest it's not worthless and something they would be proud to win
 
But the BBC turned into a cringe-fest yet again......the male gymnast doing a routine on a piano, ffs? puh-leese. Nonsense.
 
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