Should single sex golf clubs be allowed to exist?

[williamalex1]

Id imagine if they were forced to open membership up to females, but they were then subject to the same application process most if us would face at some clubs. When it came to their names being put on the notice board. The male members, who presumably joined for the exclusivity of it being male only could come up with any excuse to not accept them?

A good few years ago clubs who accepted a interest free loan of £30.000.00 ? from the R n A, were obliged to give female members the choice of full members.

 

[Papas1982]

A good few years ago clubs who accepted a interest free loan of £30.000.00 ? from the R n A, were obliged to give female members the choice of full members.

So clubs had to accept them and not go through do process like they would for men?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I fully support the choice of separate clubs for both sexes because we are fortunate enough to live in a country where democracy is the norm and choice is free but personally I would never even consider joining a club that did not give equal rights to male and female members.

That I'd go with - as it's quite different from the ss club debate

 

[williamalex1]

So clubs had to accept them and not go through do process like they would for men?

Existing female members were given the right to vote to get full membership , but ONLY if their club accepted the loan from the RnA
Our ladies voted no thanks.
New members would go through the normal joining process.

 

[Papas1982]

Existing female members were given the right to vote to get full membership , but ONLY if their club accepted the loan from the RnA
Our ladies voted no thanks.
New members would go through the normal joining process.

I think my point was missed. I'm saying that if all male clubs were told they could no longer operate that way and had to open up membership to women. They'd simply find alternate ways to not let them in, as a pose to generally say "you're female, no".

 

[williamalex1]

I think my point was missed. I'm saying that if all male clubs were told they could no longer operate that way and had to open up membership to women. They'd simply find alternate ways to not let them in, as a pose to generally say "you're female, no".

Papas , your missing the key word -private. You can play but you can't join.

 

[Papas1982]

Ok, I think we're talking about separate things. What I'm saying is that if a all male or all female club was told to change their ways. They'd simply find a loophole to stop the others joining. Be they a private members only club where referral is required or a open to join scheme.

 

[Baldy Bouncer]

Men don't like women interfering?

Fixed that for you, FD

 

[JCW]

No , in this day and age is not PC ............so why we still have ladies day ? anyone ......................EYG

 

[Deleted member 15344]

No , in this day and age is not PC ............so why we still have ladies day ? anyone ......................EYG

Because private clubs still have members that want to stay men or women only clubs

 

[CliveW]

From a commercial point of view, I am surprised Clubs can afford to be single sex. I know we couldn't afford to lose nearly 100 lady members. I assume those that are must have full membership ?

Muirfield, which is as stated, a male only club, do not have annual fees. At the end of each year the running costs are divided by the membership and they are invoiced accordingly. There is also a waiting list.

 

[CliveW]

Some places, Carnoustie for instance, have a Ladies club why no mention of their sexism.

Carnoustie different from many places. The clubs are independent of the course.

 

[ArnoldArmChewer]

Yes, I believe in choice, if either sex prefer gender exclusivity then why should it not be allowed?

 

[Hacker Khan]

Yes, I believe in choice, if either sex prefer gender exclusivity then why should it not be allowed?

Because excluding people from doing something they want to do/join/experience purely on the basis of their gender is generally called discrimination?

 

[Birchy]

Lets be honest a massive percentage of women golfers don't/wont even want to play male golfers anyway. They would rather have their own day/time where they feel comfortable which I don't blame them.

In my opinion I believe there will be a bigger percentage of women golfers who don't even want to play with men than those that do.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Because excluding people from doing something they want to do/join/experience purely on the basis of their gender is generally called discrimination?

So do you think every single single sex club in the country should be changed ?

What about discrimination against wealth ?

 

[FairwayDodger]

Lets be honest a massive percentage of women golfers don't/wont even want to play male golfers anyway. They would rather have their own day/time where they feel comfortable which I don't blame them.

In my opinion I believe there will be a bigger percentage of women golfers who don't even want to play with men than those that do.

I think men and women playing together as opposed to belonging to the same club is a separate issue and a bit of a red herring in this context.

 

[FairwayDodger]

So do you think every single single sex club in the country should be changed ?

What about discrimination against wealth ?

Discrimination against wealth? What on earth is that - those poor wealthy people and their unfair social exclusion!?

Or do you mean discrimination against people who don't have wealth? That's called capitalism.......

 

[Qwerty]

Yes, I believe in choice, if either sex prefer gender exclusivity then why should it not be allowed?

Because excluding people from doing something they want to do/join/experience purely on the basis of their gender is generally called discrimination?

Would you like to take the choice away from the lady members of Formby ladies club, Wirral ladies club and Elie ladies club? Do you view the way these clubs operate as discriminatory?

Id actually like to see more ladies Golf clubs. It could possibly be good for the game. Whats your views on this?

 

[Fish]

I think men and women playing together as opposed to belonging to the same club is a separate issue and a bit of a red herring in this context.

Is it though?

If we do away with single sex clubs and everything becomes equal, as it should be, no ladies day, no restricted or preferred tee times allocated to any gender sector such as ladies, seniors etc, then everyone should be expected to mix and play together.

Medal days then should be open so ladies can book and play at weekends as much as men, but, would they?

As Scott is eluding to, I think, the ladies would chose not to because as much as they want equality, they do not want to mix with men and as such equality goes out of the window. The net result of that is less ladies joining or being members at a club because they feel intimidated by men, not all are low handicapper like your good self Kaz.

So whilst there seems to be some spotlight on some golf clubs which are ss (mens), there are apparently as many for women only also, but there doesn't seem to be the same attention being drawn to them. After-all, there are many clubs in those area's that welcome women so its not because of a forced choice to open such an establishment, its because they want their own gender club!

I am actually surprised that there are not more ladies only clubs, because as I've said earlier, they scream for equality and I have no problem with that but it cannot come with conditions, you either lower the barrier fully or shut it!