Time to break away from England Golf ?

[IanM]

Nothing wrong with ensuring golf is more accessible and inclusive. The cost alone is becoming a barrier.

Just as long as golf doesn't follow some places and make "good practice" an industry!

 

[D-S]

Personally sick to death being told by Administrators how to behave in my ever-decreasing free time playing golf. These DEI, social engineering obsessive officers have somehow taken control of organisations such as England Golf and in doing so forced their warped ideology down onto the golf clubs they are supposed to be representing https://www.englandgolf.org/equality-diversity-and-inclusion

By threatening affiliated clubs with withdrawal of WHS rights should they not sign up to the latest edicts is tantamount to coercion & bullying, truly Marxist in behaviour.

Not sure about replacing EG with another umbrella body, but I'm of the opinion golf clubs in this country need to stand up against this forced ideology.

Which bit of the policy do you object to?

 

[IanM]

How many golfers would say "thank goodness for that," if whs rights were removed from their club

 

[Backache]

How many golfers would say "thank goodness for that," if whs rights were removed from their club

Have to say I would be perfectly happy with a locally administered trustworthy and accurate handicap rather than the current claptrap.
Couldn't give a damn if its not valid in Timbuktu.

 

[rulie]

Have to say I would be perfectly happy with a locally administered trustworthy and accurate handicap rather than the current claptrap.
Couldn't give a damn if its not valid in Timbuktu.

Don’t you do that with your mates on the first tee now (negotiating strokes regardless of posted handicaps)? “I’m not giving you x shots!”

 

[Dunesman]

Which bit of the policy do you object to?

Personally, I would have no issue with the substance of the policy, but would take issue with the force feeding of it to clubs.
I doubt somehow that clubs demanded of EG that they implement such a programme, make it obligatory, and threaten sanctions for clubs whondont have it implemented by a deadline. It sounds more like an out of control bureaucracy justifying its own existence and imposing on its constituent members rather then solely being implementers of clubs will.

 

[D-S]

Personally, I would have no issue with the substance of the policy, but would take issue with the force feeding of it to clubs.
I doubt somehow that clubs demanded of EG that they implement such a programme, make it obligatory, and threaten sanctions for clubs whondont have it implemented by a deadline. It sounds more like an out of control bureaucracy justifying its own existence and imposing on its constituent members rather then solely being implementers of clubs will.

So apart from timing and sanctions, which bits do you object to?

 

[clubchamp98]

Personally, I would have no issue with the substance of the policy, but would take issue with the force feeding of it to clubs.
I doubt somehow that clubs demanded of EG that they implement such a programme, make it obligatory, and threaten sanctions for clubs whondont have it implemented by a deadline. It sounds more like an out of control bureaucracy justifying its own existence and imposing on its constituent members rather then solely being implementers of clubs will.

Sounds like we have gone back in the EU

 

[Radbourne2010]

Don’t you think equality and inclusion is a good thing then

Don't you think we already have equality & inclusivity?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Don't you think we already have equality & inclusivity?

Depends on what who you mean when you say “we” - there is still very much a lot of inequality within the sport and many clubs

 

[Radbourne2010]

Depends on what who you mean when you say “we” - there is still very much a lot of inequality within the sport and many clubs

Such as?

IMO, the only inequality in golf is the amount of money it costs to play. There is no race, creed, gender, height, disability or any other inequality in our game. The handcap system works relatively well to allow everyone to play from cradle to grave.

 

[Radbourne2010]

Depends on what who you mean when you say “we” - there is still very much a lot of inequality within the sport and many clubs

'We', is the golf world.

 

[doublebogey7]

Such as?

IMO, the only inequality in golf is the amount of money it costs to play. There is no race, creed, gender, height, disability or any other inequality in our game. The handcap system works relatively well to allow everyone to play from cradle to grave.

You state that as fact so I assume you have some evidence so please share it. I'll give you this, https://www.golfcare.co.uk/blog/2023/03/uk-attitudes-towards-women-in-golf/ to counteract your claim.

 

[wjemather]

Such as?

IMO, the only inequality in golf is the amount of money it costs to play. There is no race, creed, gender, height, disability or any other inequality in our game. The handcap system works relatively well to allow everyone to play from cradle to grave.

At best, this demonstrates a total lack of awareness.

 

[Radbourne2010]

You state that as fact so I assume you have some evidence so please share it. I'll give you this, https://www.golfcare.co.uk/blog/2023/03/uk-attitudes-towards-women-in-golf/ to counteract your claim.

My GF is a member at her local Members Club. She is disillusioned by the isolationist mentality of the Ladies Section, along with the retired element towards women who have to balance a career, home life & children whilst still trying to enjoy their golf. So, the majority of discrimination is from within their own ranks.
My club play multi-tee comps every month, whereby men & women can play off any tee. It's great fun!

I play in mixed comps at my club & nationally. Those who wish to play in such events have absolutely no barriers put in front of them. It's a state of mind.

As for 2,011 UK Residents being asked pointed questions by survey company commissioned for the purpose, I'd take that with a pinch of salt. Sorry, I'm not biting...

 

[doublebogey7]

My GF is a member at her local Members Club. She is disillusioned by the isolationist mentality of the Ladies Section, along with the retired element towards women who have to balance a career, home life & children whilst still trying to enjoy their golf. So, the majority of discrimination is from within their own ranks.
My club play multi-tee comps every month, whereby men & women can play off any tee. It's great fun!

I play in mixed comps at my club & nationally. Those who wish to play in such events have absolutely no barriers put in front of them. It's a state of mind.

As for 2,011 UK Residents being asked pointed questions by survey company commissioned for the purpose, I'd take that with a pinch of salt. Sorry, I'm not biting...

So all you can give me is evidence from your club, where your GF does acknowledge there is a problem.

 

[D-S]

My GF is a member at her local Members Club. She is disillusioned by the isolationist mentality of the Ladies Section, along with the retired element towards women who have to balance a career, home life & children whilst still trying to enjoy their golf. So, the majority of discrimination is from within their own ranks.
My club play multi-tee comps every month, whereby men & women can play off any tee. It's great fun!

I play in mixed comps at my club & nationally. Those who wish to play in such events have absolutely no barriers put in front of them. It's a state of mind.

As for 2,011 UK Residents being asked pointed questions by survey company commissioned for the purpose, I'd take that with a pinch of salt. Sorry, I'm not biting...

It is a pity that some people in your club are not welcoming and that it just happens apparently to come from one section.
Unfortunately in other clubs it is different sections who are not only unwelcoming but also control things such as access to the course, discriminating on a gender basis. I am sure both you and your GF would not want to be members of such clubs and it is a good thing that organisations are trying to improve these outmoded behaviours. These behaviours, perhaps surprisingly are a real thing still in 2024 and any project to speed up their extinction is extremely positive as far as I am concerned.

 

[clubchamp98]

Such as?

IMO, the only inequality in golf is the amount of money it costs to play. There is no race, creed, gender, height, disability or any other inequality in our game. The handcap system works relatively well to allow everyone to play from cradle to grave.

At my club there’s no Joining fee for a woman.

So 35 yr old male £2900

35 yr old female £1450.

Both full 7 day members That’s not equality imo.

 

[sunshine]

Sounds like we have gone back in the EU

ALERT ALERT ALERT

I think we have a winner of the 2024 award for the most political post in an apolitical forum.

 

[clubchamp98]

ALERT ALERT ALERT

I think we have a winner of the 2024 award for the most political post in an apolitical forum.

ALERT
It only took you 7 days.