Should single sex golf clubs be allowed to exist?

R&A chief executive Peter Dawson estimates that only 1% of the 3,000 golf clubs in the UK are single-sex organisations. He said: "50% are men only and 50% are women only. That's a fact that's not often reported."
 
I think it is an outdated notion to have single sex clubs but as these are private members affairs they are free to choose how they want their membership to be made up. I wouldn't be a member of one irrespective of the quality of the course out of principal and to be fair, the ladies section at my club do an awful lot of work behind the scenes at social events and helping to maintain the look of the interior of the 19th
 
Fish said:
R&A chief executive Peter Dawson estimates that only 1% of the 3,000 golf clubs in the UK are single-sex organisations. He said: "50% are men only and 50% are women only. That's a fact that's not often reported."
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Unfortunately for Dawson - small numbers does not OK discrimination make. However IMO the nature of the 'discrimination' we are talking about simply blinds some to the real, painful and harmful discrimination that goes on throughout society in various guises. And ss golf clubs is not one of those forms of discrimination - the sound and fury we hear in shouts of I]discrimination [/I]is simply spite aimed at a perceived privileged group - golfers. They don't really care about whether or not members of the opposite sex can be members of a ss golf club.
 
HomerJSimpson said:
I think it is an outdated notion to have single sex clubs but as these are private members affairs they are free to choose how they want their membership to be made up. I wouldn't be a member of one irrespective of the quality of the course out of principal and to be fair, the ladies section at my club do an awful lot of work behind the scenes at social events and helping to maintain the look of the interior of the 19th
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Did Homer just crack a joke :whoo:

Lets hope so or this is the most ironic post of the year :rofl:
 
HomerJSimpson said:
I think it is an outdated notion to have single sex clubs but as these are private members affairs they are free to choose how they want their membership to be made up. I wouldn't be a member of one irrespective of the quality of the course out of principal and to be fair, the ladies section at my club do an awful lot of work behind the scenes at social events and helping to maintain the look of the interior of the 19th
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There are lots of positives about our lady members and I probably wouldn't join a ss club - but I can't predict the circumstances when the opportunity might arise so I can't say for certain. If the members of a ss club are today happy with the arrangement, then what makes that out of date? We are not talking about manufacturers of gas street lamps here.
 
HomerJSimpson said:
I think it is an outdated notion to have single sex clubs but as these are private members affairs they are free to choose how they want their membership to be made up. I wouldn't be a member of one irrespective of the quality of the course out of principal and to be fair, the ladies section at my club do an awful lot of work behind the scenes at social events and helping to maintain the look of the interior of the 19th
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So basically you like to have women at your club to make snacks for social events,& to choose cushions & curtains for the bar??
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I fully support the choice of separate clubs for both sexes because we are fortunate enough to live in a country where democracy is the norm and choice is free but personally I would never even consider joining a club that did not give equal rights to male and female members.
 
London mike 61 said:
I fully support the choice of separate clubs for both sexes because we are fortunate enough to live in a country where democracy is the norm and choice is free but personally I would never even consider joining a club that did not give equal rights to male and female members.
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Yes they should people should have the right to include or exclude anyone they want from there club whatever the qualification, all this let everyone join everything is ridiculous
 
ger147 said:
You don't have to be Black to join that organisation.
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No, but having read their brief, it's sole purpose is to help people that are black gain a place in law. That in itself it racist. The fact is, discrimination goes both ways. I've never heard a woman complain that they were getting cheaper insurance for their car. I'm actually surprised that it's only 1% of clubs for ss. I have no problem with woman playing golf, and have no assumptions to them being any better/worse than the average male golfer. But in general I prefer male company when participating in sports as banter can generally be had
 
wish there we no ladies on my course to slow and get away with everthing, last week there were a 5 ball ladies in front of us sharing 3 sets of clubs, on a saturday to course was backed up. If that was men doing that they would have a brown letter waiting for them
 
Papas1982 said:
No, but having read their brief, it's sole purpose is to help people that are black gain a place in law. That in itself it racist. The fact is, discrimination goes both ways. I've never heard a woman complain that they were getting cheaper insurance for their car. I'm actually surprised that it's only 1% of clubs for ss. I have no problem with woman playing golf, and have no assumptions to them being any better/worse than the average male golfer. But in general I prefer male company when participating in sports as banter can generally be had
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You are free to have that opinion but I really don't see anything racist about it at all...


Overview of BSN
The Black Solicitors' Network (BSN) was formed in 1995 to promote the interests of black solicitors, for support and sharing information, to participate in consultations, initiated by the Law Society and other Government bodies, in relation to matters which affect black solicitors.


The BSN was recognised as a Law Society Group on the 17th July 2003.


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The BSN is committed to achieving equality of access, retention and promotion of black solicitors within the sector.


Over the years membership has grown to over 5,500 by 2007. An inclusive rather than exclusive organisation, our reputation is such that we also attract, and welcome, members from across the cultural and diversity spectrum.
 
ger147 said:
You are free to have that opinion but I really don't see anything racist about it at all...


Overview of BSN
The Black Solicitors' Network (BSN) was formed in 1995 to promote the interests of black solicitors, for support and sharing information, to participate in consultations, initiated by the Law Society and other Government bodies, in relation to matters which affect black solicitors.


The BSN was recognised as a Law Society Group on the 17th July 2003.


A not-for-profit company, the Black Solicitors' Network aims to be the primary voice of black solicitors in England and Wales.


The BSN is committed to achieving equality of access, retention and promotion of black solicitors within the sector.


Over the years membership has grown to over 5,500 by 2007. An inclusive rather than exclusive organisation, our reputation is such that we also attract, and welcome, members from across the cultural and diversity spectrum.
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Im not saying it's not a good cause, I'd also say there has been a lot if discrimination in the work place to both woman and against black people. But, if a society was set up to promote the same thing for white people online. It would be shut down before it even got started. Anyway, this is way of topic and not really a convo for a forum. So I'll leave this subject alone.
 
markgs said:
wish there we no ladies on my course to slow and get away with everthing, last week there were a 5 ball ladies in front of us sharing 3 sets of clubs, on a saturday to course was backed up. If that was men doing that they would have a brown letter waiting for them
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That's your clubs fault not the ladies. Mismanagement to let such a group go out at a busy time.
 
Papas1982 said:
Im not saying it's not a good cause, I'd also say there has been a lot if discrimination in the work place to both woman and against black people. But, if a society was set up to promote the same thing for white people online. It would be shut down before it even got started. Anyway, this is way of topic and not really a convo for a forum. So I'll leave this subject alone.
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Not only has the BNP not been shut down, it is allowed to take part in local and parliamentary elections.
 
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