Should single sex golf clubs be allowed to exist?

[Deleted member 15344]

While not mentioned in the OP I don't think it is irrelevant, could you imagine the uproar if a club started refusing members because of the colour of their skin? And yet having a blanket ban on one gender or the other is deemed acceptable/allowed!

But as far as I'm aware it's not allowed to discriminate because of skin colour - where as single sex clubs are alloŵed.

 

[hovis]

So to be equal you'd remove Ladies Days from clubs which are traditional Tuesdays around here.

If so, that would stand for seniors also!

Yep, everyone! Dont see why there needs to be a ladies or
Seniors tee time. You dont get many junior or middle age tee times. All in the same melting pot IMO

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It's not irrelevant in the slightest. In many ways it gets right to the nub of the matter. It's currently illegal to discriminate based on race but not based on gender. The OP (I think) is asking whether it should be illegal to discriminate based on gender.

By ignoring the question and hiding behind the current legal position you are just copping out. Which seems unlike you, Liverpoolphil....

I don't think it should be made illegal. I believe when it comes to a private men's or ladies club then people should have the right to run their club the way they wish. That's valid for golf clubs or WI

 

[FairwayDodger]

Yep, everyone! Dont see why there needs to be a ladies or
Seniors tee time. You dont get many junior or middle age tee times. All in the same melting pot IMO

What do you propose to do with "men's times"?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yep, everyone! Dont see why there needs to be a ladies or
Seniors tee time. You dont get many junior or middle age tee times. All in the same melting pot IMO

It's not very workable in the reality

 

[Captainron]

I have no issue with single sex clubs at all.

 

[USER1999]

There are female only gyms too.

 

[hovis]

It's not very workable in the reality

I know. Perhaps i'll be singing a differnt tune when i'm a oap

 

[hovis]

What do you propose to do with "men's times"?

Mens times? All together as one

 

[HotDogAssassin]

But as far as I'm aware it's not allowed to discriminate because of skin colour - where as single sex clubs are alloŵed.

And that's the point exactly. :clap:

One is illegal, but not the other, however there is a clear comparison to be made. I can't see how one level of discrimination is acceptable but not another.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Mens times? All together as one

So on a Saturday when the men's "big competition" is on and the tee booked all day how do you propose for the women to get a game?

 

[Fish]

It's not very workable in the reality

So would it not just become an 'unwritten rule' as such, everyone knows the seniors are around the course on Monday mornings and the ladies on Tuesdays mornings and as such you stay away from those days and times by choice if you can but you have the right to play at that time if you have to or need to and just have to accept that things may be slower but its not a forbidden or exclusive day/time?

 

[Birchy]

What about mens :-

Football clubs
Rugby clubs
Cricket clubs

Are they all wrong too? What about clothing stores that cater only for men or women? Are they discriminating too?

Where do we stop? Are we allowed separate toilets or is that discrimination too?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I have never witnessed at a club men only or ladies only or seniors only tee times

There are comps for each category including juniors but never social tee times for each specific category

 

[hovis]

So on a Saturday when the men's "big competition" is on and the tee booked all day how do you propose for the women to get a game?

why cant women just turn up, put their ball in the shoot (or is it chute?) and play as usual but not in the comp. We have mens comp days but women are out on the course too!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

why cant women just turn up, put their ball in the shoot (or is it chute?) and play as usual but not in the comp. We have mens comp days but women are out on the course too!

Because the tee is normally reserved for the comp

 

[hovis]

I have never witnessed at a club men only or ladies only or seniors only tee times

Walmley and drayton manor are serial offenders

 

[Fish]

So on a Saturday when the men's "big competition" is on and the tee booked all day how do you propose for the women to get a game?

We used to have a block of tee times specifically for the ladies on medal days between 10am & 11am but that has disappeared as they weren't always taken up, they can now book any time so everyone and anyone can play in the medal at any time

 

[cookelad]

But as far as I'm aware it's not allowed to discriminate because of skin colour - where as single sex clubs are alloŵed.

Maybe I've not worded it very well, but the point I'm trying to get to is that I find it odd that clubs are legally allowed to discriminate based on gender but are forbidden by law from discriminating against skin colour, surely we shouldn't be discriminating at all?

I stand by my first post, clubs should be allowed to choose who to let in but not over something we have no choice over (barring surgical proceedures)

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

If I am discriminated against and that discrimination deprives me of some thing or activity I could reasonably expect to be available to me as an ordinary average citizen; or if it has a negative impact on my life or causes me some harm, then I might certainly expect that discrimination to be addressed. Where discrimination does not deprive me of anything we could all expect to have, or it causes me no harm or has any no long term impact, and the same can be said for others so discriminated against, then I am not bothered.

So single sex clubs of any sort I have no issue with - providing there is an alternative or equivalent that meets my reasonable needs.
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