Scottish v English football

[Foxholer]

Skrtal punching the ball off the top of the heads of Man City players?

I'm not 100% sure he punched it. But he was certainly climbing all over, and was holding down, the 2 guys he was competing for the ball with. The amount of cheating that goes on at Corners is ridiculous. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be an appropriate punishment imo. Yellow Card is very probably too harsh - maybe not; Penalty is definitely too harsh. But it can be chaotic! And while I've specified Skrtal, it's not limited to him!

 

[MegaSteve]

He did it deliberately, that's blatant, and it's against the rules, that's cheating.
The fact that the referee didn't see it is totally & utterly irrelevant.
It was blatant cheating.


Slime.

Go on... How do you know it was a deliberate act of handball?
It didn't just go unseen by the officials but the entire stadium aside from the TV crew [seemingly]...

 

[Slime]

Go on... How do you know it was a deliberate act of handball?
It didn't just go unseen by the officials but the entire stadium aside from the TV crew [seemingly]...

Because I saw what he did!
When someone clenches a fist and then moves it rapidly and accurately towards a target, which he then hits, I deem that deliberate.
If people don't see it, it doesn't mean that it never happened.


Slime.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

He did it deliberately, that's blatant, and it's against the rules, that's cheating.
The fact that the referee didn't see it is totally & utterly irrelevant.
It was blatant cheating.


Slime.

Correct @Slime - you took the words...

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Always hard to just intent and what was done deliberate or not - Defenders regularly jump with arms up etc

Unless he tells you he did it deliberately you can only "guess"

But if everyone who breaks the rules in football is a "cheat" then football or indeed any sport doesn't automatically suggest someone is a cheat if they break a rule.

 

[bluewolf]

Correct @Slime - you took the words...

Strange how people can see things so differently.. I've watched it quite a few times now and it looks like Skrtel raises his hand to jump up, his arm/hand then hits the top of Sakho's (I think) head and is deflected up and forwards. There is a slight flick which may or may not be intentional but I can't say for certain...

I envy those who claim without doubt that they know the facts.. I'm not that good I'm afraid... I'm also completely neutral, which may or may not be important..

[video=youtube;47hsFzqBsOU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47hsFzqBsOU[/video]

 

[Birchy]

Im not being funny but it was a blatant deliberate handball. Watch him turn his head away just before the point of impact to try and make it not look deliberate and he also flicks his arm towards it. No defender in that position turns their head away like that, they just don't.

I hope Liverpool win the title just to heap some extra misery on our Manc friends who have had it too good for too long. The fact a Fergie special helped them along the way makes it even more funny :rofl:

 

[bluewolf]

I hope Liverpool win the title just to heap some extra misery on our Manc friends who have had it too good for too long. The fact a Fergie special helped them along the way makes it even more funny :rofl:

So what you're saying is that it DOES help to be completely neutral then?

 

[Birchy]

So what you're saying is that it DOES help to be completely neutral then?

To be fair I wouldn't lose much sleep if City won it either :rofl:

Yes it does sometimes even though its no fun when your own team is so cack I reckon I could pull a team off here that would do em in

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I'll add that I do hope Liverpool win the league - just that I can't be a**ed with Skrtel and all his antics.

On the matter of the OP. I absolutely agree that the Scottish League Cup Final was gash - and everyone connected and present has said it was a disappointingly poor advert for Scottish football - but hopefully Sunday's semi cast the Scottish game in a rather better light. I'll note that Saturday's fare was not very good - but that was simply The Rangers dragging Dundee Utd down to their Scottish Div 1 (third tier) level. Some forget when they see The Rangers on TV that they are 3rd tier Scottish club.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'll add that I do hope Liverpool win the league - just that I can't be a**ed with Skrtel and all his antics.

On the matter of the OP. I absolutely agree that the Scottish League Cup Final was gash - and everyone connected and present has said it was a disappointingly poor advert for Scottish football - but hopefully Sunday's semi cast the Scottish game in a rather better light. I'll note that Saturday's fare was not very good - but that was simply The Rangers dragging Dundee Utd down to their Scottish Div 1 (third tier) level. Some forget when they see The Rangers on TV that they are 3rd tier Scottish club.

What other "antics" ?

 

[hoop67]

Not that I want to get involved in the wider argument, but I should say that using Gary Caldwell to support your argument might not be the best idea. A fantastic leader of men he may be, but a quality defender he most definitely is not. I cringe just thinking about the mistakes he has made..

Now big Lee Mcullough is a different matter. Absolute Latics legend and someone who will always be welcome back to the DW Stadium..

I am sure there will be a lot of footballers in Scotland more than happy to pay his fare from glasgow to wigan.He is one of the dirtiest players i have ever seen in the scottish game

Wee bit instant karma there

 

[bluewolf]

I am sure there will be a lot of footballers in Scotland more than happy to pay his fare from glasgow to wigan.He is one of the dirtiest players i have ever seen in the scottish game

Wee bit instant karma there

Lol.. He always was a bit physical.. A bit like Shearer and his consciously uncoupled elbows... I'd still have had him in any team I supported though..

 

[hoop67]

Lol.. He always was a bit physical.. A bit like Shearer and his consciously uncoupled elbows... I'd still have had him in any team I supported though..

Bit physical....aye,a wee bit The part that tried to do the keeper were his studs..no his elbows.Let me know how much the train fare is

 

[MegaSteve]

Setting aside diving [second worse 'disease' in the modern game] and general foul play what do you consider as "blatant cheating"?

I asked for an opinion of what would be considered as "blatant cheating" and we get one example of which I don't necessarily agree...

So from one weekend [diving aside] that's it?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Bluewolf, you read my post wrongly.
I was saying that if Caldwell can star in the EPL for quite a few years the overall quality is not as good as many think.
I don't think we would pick him for Hearts in front of our youngsters.

 

[Birchy]

What other "antics" ?

He likes other peoples shirts put it that way.

 

[Birchy]

Bluewolf, you read my post wrongly.
I was saying that if Caldwell can star in the EPL for quite a few years the overall quality is not as good as many think.
I don't think we would pick him for Hearts in front of our youngsters.

Star? :rofl:

I used to pray he was playing whenever we played Wigan, he was always good for a goal or 3

 

[MegaSteve]

He likes other peoples shirts put it that way.

The first worse 'disease' in the modern game...

Needs to be eradicated by the authorities as soon as...

Not sure its any worse here than anywhere else though...

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The first worse 'disease' in the modern game...

Needs to be eradicated by the authorities as soon as...

Not sure its any worse here than anywhere else though...

They certainly need to sort out the amount of fouling that goes on at corners - holding, pulling , shirt grabbing etc - every corner is the same