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Scottish v English football

Pin-seeker said:
Can I just ask a serious question to the Scottish guys? Does as much diving & cheating go on in the SPL as in the EPL? It was embarrassing watching some of the blatant cheating yesterday in the EPL.
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Shouldn't do (and don't seem to) these days. They took steps to sort it out. Something English FA should do imo.

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/rangers/285394-explained-how-the-scottish-fa-punish-diving/

In spite of apparent improvement, I'm surprised how much time Suarez spends on the ground - especially given how strong he was in the movement that up Liverpool's first goal. I can forgive the one in the Penalty Area later in 1st half - that wouldn't have surprised me if a Penalty had been awarded,
 
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Foxholer said:
Shouldn't do (and don't seem to) these days. They took steps to sort it out. Something English FA should do imo.

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/rangers/285394-explained-how-the-scottish-fa-punish-diving/

In spite of apparent improvement, I'm surprised how much time Suarez spends on the ground - especially given how strong he was in the movement that up Liverpool's first goal. I can forgive the one in the Penalty Area later in 1st half - that wouldn't have surprised me if a Penalty had been awarded,
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Diving didn't start with Suarez and it won't finish with him

Deserved a booking for his dive yesterday and he was poor - too busy protesting instead of playing

But he isn't the only one.
 
The EPL is full of divers & cheats,Suarez just took it to a new level yesterday. It was constant. Certainly not a top bloke,IMO.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
That level has been reached by plenty before - plenty.
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Your entitled to your opinion Phil,no matter how blinkered it is. If you were been really honest tho there's no way you could say he's a nice person.
I'll leave it at that so it doesn't take over the thread.
 
Pin-seeker said:
Your entitled to your opinion Phil,no matter how blinkered it is. If you were been really honest tho there's no way you could say he's a nice person.
I'll leave it at that so it doesn't take over the thread.
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If you want to check out divers ( unless you are moving on a level now to judge him as a person ) have a quick look at Oscars vs Southampton or Oscars vs Stoke. Shall we judge him as a person also for his diving or perhaps Bertrand for his against QPR , or Robbens numerous in his times , or Drogba

Your history is littered with them

Suarez should have been booked and given a second yellow on Sunday and no one has denied that.
 
Celtic imo would survive in the epl long enough to encourage a better quality of player to sign.Would take 3 or 4 seasons of mid table finishes to establish themselves then would be challenging for europa cup/champions league spot.Without doubt the money factor is huge and pointless comparing the 2 leagues but playing in one of the best leagues in the world would attract massive sponsorship.Also worth remembering that the current Celtic team would be totaly different from what we have now.
 
hoop67 said:
Celtic imo would survive in the epl long enough to encourage a better quality of player to sign.Would take 3 or 4 seasons of mid table finishes to establish themselves then would be challenging for europa cup/champions league spot.Without doubt the money factor is huge and pointless comparing the 2 leagues but playing in one of the best leagues in the world would attract massive sponsorship.Also worth remembering that the current Celtic team would be totaly different from what we have now.
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Yep - think Celtic have the "base" to be able to succeed in the prem - would take a good 5 years I think but would be around the top 6
 
Think Celtic would hold their own in the Premier League from the outset and comfortably finish mid table if not in a Europa League spot. Too many mediocre mid and lower end teams. Whether they would then kick on and make top is more debatable, certainly not without significant investment. Even then would that be enough. Its academic as they will never join and unless a European Super League arrives then it'll be business as usual both sides of Hadrian wall
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Only this year.

Wigan was it not. FA cup etc, semi's this year.

I suppose that does not count

He would struggle to get into The Rangers team.
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Not that I want to get involved in the wider argument, but I should say that using Gary Caldwell to support your argument might not be the best idea. A fantastic leader of men he may be, but a quality defender he most definitely is not. I cringe just thinking about the mistakes he has made..

Now big Lee Mcullough is a different matter. Absolute Latics legend and someone who will always be welcome back to the DW Stadium..:D
 
Liverpoolphil said:
If you want to check out divers ( unless you are moving on a level now to judge him as a person ) have a quick look at Oscars vs Southampton or Oscars vs Stoke. Shall we judge him as a person also for his diving or perhaps Bertrand for his against QPR , or Robbens numerous in his times , or Drogba

Your history is littered with them

Suarez should have been booked and given a second yellow on Sunday and no one has denied that.
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My original question was for the Scottish guys,as I assumed they watch more SPL than me. Everything doesn't have to be about you Phil.
& yes I judge him on more than his diving,as I would any one with his previous.
 
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bluewolf said:
Not that I want to get involved in the wider argument, but I should say that using Gary Caldwell to support your argument might not be the best idea. A fantastic leader of men he may be, but a quality defender he most definitely is not. I cringe just thinking about the mistakes he has made..

Now big Lee Mcullough is a different matter. Absolute Latics legend and someone who will always be welcome back to the DW Stadium..:D
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The Heed is a bombscare of a footballer.I laughed when he was 1st to step up on Saturday,it was in the script as faux pas follow The Heed around.

Dreadful footballer.
 
On the diving and feigning injury front - the ref on Sunday has got plaudits from many for letting the game flow. There were many rumbustious challenges that would have seen EPL players rolling around looking for opponent to be booked and game stopped. Didn't see that happen once in the 92minutes, Players getting clattered and picking themselves up and getting on with it. It was rather refreshing actually. No - it was VERY refreshing.
 
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Pin-seeker said:
Can I just ask a serious question to the Scottish guys? Does as much diving & cheating go on in the SPL as in the EPL? It was embarrassing watching some of the blatant cheating yesterday in the EPL.
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Setting aside diving [second worse 'disease' in the modern game] and general foul play what do you consider as "blatant cheating"?
 
Didnt Lafferty get banned for a month or so for feigning injury from a headbutt ?

Let's be honest - you would be hard pushed to find a team or a league that hasn't benefitted from a handball or going to ground easily etc

It doesn't make it right but they are all as bad as each other. In footba there are no "innocents" as such
 
MegaSteve said:
Hardly an example of "blatant cheating" though... As would've gone un-noticed without the cameras being there [no one else seemed to spot it]...
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He did it deliberately, that's blatant, and it's against the rules, that's cheating.
The fact that the referee didn't see it is totally & utterly irrelevant.
It was blatant cheating.


Slime.
 
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