Marshy77
Journeyman Pro
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Thought you were randomly quoting scores of players.
LIV Golf
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Thought you were randomly quoting scores of players.
With no teams in the Scottish Open, presumably not following. Without the Crushers and the Majesticks competiting with all new teams and without teams points contributing to the end of season team finale, there seems little point. The Open will be a bit of a damp squib without them too. Maybe R&A trying to come up with a teams structure to make the Open more relevant and attractive to the youf so that they can wear their Fireballs shirts, cheer, drink beer, live music. I dont know how the Open has any appeal with out live music.
Foxholer
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ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
Surely you jest!Though without appropriate Smilies, it's hard to tell.
Well it's being played around a goat track so it's not going to have much appeal.
Foxholer
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Yeah, they even skimp on greens and maintenance of fairways and rough!Well it's being played around a goat track so it's not going to have much appeal.
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
And at the end of the week Victor and Scottie won’t get paid for playing like that because they’ll miss the cut. Whereas on the LIV tour doing the same thing means you still get paid.
I think you’ll find that’s the crux of the issue that some have with the LIV tour. The pros are as capable of failure as we are, but only the LIV tour rewards it financially.
RRidges
Active member
I watched some of the Portland LIV event on YT. Unimpressed. Commentators were trying too hard and got quality of shots wrong far too often. Crowds weren't great, even when, sold out. Nice scenic course though.
Looking forward to watching my favourite tournament next week. I was actually there last year and followed Morikawa on day 2.
Temps here still in high 80s/low 90s here so still too hot to play.
Looking forward to watching my favourite tournament next week. I was actually there last year and followed Morikawa on day 2.
Temps here still in high 80s/low 90s here so still too hot to play.
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
Maybe, guess there may be an argument with only 8 planned events and the inevitable fall out that they needed to do that.
Perhaps it is the 'invitational' nature that is more the perceived issue. Found the below from the 'net ...
PGA Tour events with no cut:
The Sentry Tournament of Champions
WGC-Mexico Championship
WGC-Dell Technologies Match Play
WGC-FedEx St. Jude Invitational
BMW Championship
Tour Championship
CJ Cup at Nine Bridges
Zozo Championship
WGC-HSBC Champions
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AussieKB
Well-known member
Don't bring logic into this debate.
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
Thought this interesting from Justin Harding -
“I have not signed a contract with LIV, so I feel like I am in a slightly different position,” said the 37-year-old. “I’ve played in the ones I’ve got into via the world rankings and I have no idea if I’m in the next one.”
Arguably a bigger risk to those not 'contracted', but guess the short term pay day was the temptation.
Perhaps implies there is some sort of criteria emerging/forming as the rosta grows, yet to be shared...
“I have not signed a contract with LIV, so I feel like I am in a slightly different position,” said the 37-year-old. “I’ve played in the ones I’ve got into via the world rankings and I have no idea if I’m in the next one.”
Arguably a bigger risk to those not 'contracted', but guess the short term pay day was the temptation.
Perhaps implies there is some sort of criteria emerging/forming as the rosta grows, yet to be shared...
Springveldt
Well-known member
But why shouldn’t they get paid? They have provided entertainment for the event and brought fans in as I’m sure lots there wanted to see the number 1 player in the world.
Why does golf have to be so cut throat? Is it simply because “that’s the way it’s always been”?
Mel Smooth
Hacker
I think the answer to that is in BiM's post that you've quoted - he is expressing the view that missing a cut is failure, and shouldn't be financially rewarded. Let's face it, that kind of rationale is absurd when you step back to think about it - it might apply to the top players who set the bar high for themselves, but for the vast majoritiy of the players who are scrapping to make cuts week in, week out, even getting into that position should be applauded, and rewarded.
doublebogey7
Head Pro
Personally I would prefer for all players to be paid an amount to cover reasonable expenses, at all levels of the game. That though would be at the expense of players higher up the leaderboard at every level. At Euro Pro your there is not enough in the pot to pay the player finishing below 5th reasonable expenses. That is the real commercial environment nearly all pro golfers are in, not the one solely financed on a regime that needs to gain favour with the world in order to survive.
Ethan
Money List Winner
It isn't a team sport, they aren't employed. They are more akin to professional gamblers than baseball players or footballers. They choose, within limits, where to play to optimise their chances of making good money, and if they play well, they get paid well.
In the Portland LIV event, Jediah Morgan got paid $120,000 for finishing dead last with 3 rounds totalling +21, 34 shots behind the winner. I think he should be paying them.
Jimaroid
Journeyman Pro
Those players who are missing the cut are still covering expenses through sponsorship. Winnings needed to be viewed as bonuses and if a professional can’t make a living without bonuses then they really should be looking for another career.
That’s the brutal reality and no different to many other professional sports. It’s tough at the top. Deal with it.
That’s the brutal reality and no different to many other professional sports. It’s tough at the top. Deal with it.
Mel Smooth
Hacker
Good for Jediah Morgan, he's one of the lucky one's that got an opportunity when the LIV was starting out, there are plenty more like him, but he still contributed to the event at Centurion, he was part of the 48 man field that turned out for 3 days, and he quite rightly got paid for it.
Springveldt
Well-known member
He had a bad week so should be paying them? Tough crowd.
I really don’t get this line of thinking. They are part of the event, they should receive something even if they play crap. Other non team sports get paid for making it to the main event (tennis, darts, snooker etc) why does golf have to be different?
You don’t see other sports saying “sorry you played crap and got knocked out at the first round so you get nothing. Thanks for coming though.”
Foxholer
Blackballed
Missing the cut IS failure!
If all are paid, it's a 'circus', not a 'tournament'. How much coverage, even in LIV events, has been of those players who are at the back of the field on day 3....sod-all! That's just the way competitive IS! No different to Tennis, Darts, Snooker and other individual sports.
FTFY! How many seconds of YT time was devoted to him? And the LIV payment rules are still 'not transparent'. So it's quite possible he didn't get paid the full amount on top of whatever sign-on reward. PGAT/DPWT/Opens are absolutely transparent about their payments.
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The players have their own sponsors so will be getting paid
also how many players are in a darts or snooker event for example? Around 150 golfers per event - just because the Saudi State are willing to run the competitions at huge losses a normal tour won’t have that luxury
The players have the chance to play in a tournament evey single week - how many snooker , darts etc events are there ?
it’s never easy to compare sports
Golf rewards good play , making the cut is akin to making the main comp and the golfer is rewarded for that - both financially and points wise
and when they do start playing well they get entry into the WGC’s which are events without cuts etc
