This reply sums up the confused state so many will be voting under.
Salmond v Darling
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Jimaroid
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You're right and, to be clear, I'm not asking for a certain look into the future. I just want to be confident that the decision I make is one that gives best chances for my family. I would like facts rather than rhetoric, some of those facts are hard to provide, and I get that, but that's no reason to avoid questions on them. "We don't know yet but this is how to plan to find out" is a totally acceptable answer to me. What isn't acceptable is saying "we're right and they're wrong" without much factual basis and just shouting at increasing volumes.
what BOOM? there are over 700,000 stating they will leave if a yes vote.
Financial institutions will HAVE to leave and so will their jobs.
Conman85
Assistant Pro
The finance industry makes up less than 20% of the scottish economy, offsetting it against the defence budget should cover us. Once the 700,000 have gone im sure we will get some back when our manufacturing industry picks up again.
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Manufacturing what exactly ?
IanG
Tour Rookie
I agree. I seems in modern day politics 'facts' are rather elusive , and each side dips into the data and pulls out the 'fact' that suits it's argument. They are all adept enough to find a ratio of x to y or data over the last N year that supports their point. Then the shouting starts. In the end I end up (perhaps wrongly) ignoring all their claims equally since you get swamped with contradictory 'facts'.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Surely his point was that the Scottish Government can blame the UK govt for anything tied to welfare policy and spending as Welfare is a reserved power and impossible for a Scottish Government to remediate. They have done what they can on 'bedroom tax' as that was an 'affordable' cost (£50m) but they can't sort out all welfare policy issues that lead to child poverty.
As far as using the budget for the referendum to alleviate foodbanks? Well the Scottish Government didn't call the referendum and Westminster doesn't seem too keen to fund the YES campaign. What were they supposed to do? Besides funding for the YES campaign wouldn't go far to alleviating the welfare issues that have let to the increase in use of foodbanks and the need for foodbanks again simply comes down to welfare policy and funding - so AS lobs it back into UK Govt court.
Conman85
Assistant Pro
A big list, ask Nick Clegg he is in Delhi just now trying to sell them............amongst them aerospace, food, drink, chemicals, all of which Scotland can supply.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
What I noticed about Darlings statement that he finished quite quietly on a 'downward' infection in his voice. It rather petered out and was not very uplifting.
DCB
Well-known member
This thread is really beginning to depress me. It's three weeks until we vote on our future. A serious decision will be made dependant on the outcome of the democratic process. With politicians who won't answer a straight question and voters who really are not armed with the necessary information to make a sensible vote.
This is definitely not a case of voting with the heart, unfortunately, that seems to be the way many are going. That's fine doing that at a General Election or a Scottish parliamentary Election, you only have to live with the consequences for five years. This one, if we get it wrong, we're shafted for the rest of our days.
This is definitely not a case of voting with the heart, unfortunately, that seems to be the way many are going. That's fine doing that at a General Election or a Scottish parliamentary Election, you only have to live with the consequences for five years. This one, if we get it wrong, we're shafted for the rest of our days.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Who can predict 10yrs ahead on education, health and finance in the UK? And that's taking what one might assume to be a KNOWN starting point. Problem is that the starting point for the UK in these things isn't actually that known - with lots of uncertainty ahead What with a UK Gen Election next year and then followed up by an EU referendum who today can predict accurately on education, health and finance in the UK ten years hence?
So demanding this of the YES campaign is asking rather a lot when all they can actually do at the moment is tell you that an iScotland Scottish Government will succeed or fail with the public on it's own merits and faults - and will not be able to blame anyone else.
lex!
Challenge Tour Pro
At the moment we don't live in the United Kingdom, it's United London, let's not be kidded! Once the privatisation of the NHS hits down south it won't be long in putting the squeeze up here, even if it remains public. That and the pensions are where the future generations are going to be hit hardest. I'm not if sure Independence is the answer, but i'm willing to give it a bash, just so we have control of our own future and our decisions aren't being made by folk with London's interests at heart. Scotland has given so much to the world surely things can only get better.....................que Take That
London's interests, like the Pound, but Eck still wants that. Also, not sure what he would do without the millions that the London tax payer sends north of the border with the Barnett formula.
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
So every main political party agrees that the current setup is not fit for purpose and the vote on the 18th is to decide between a raft of new/increased powers for the Scottish parliament or go independent
The former sounds like a longer lead but with the same choking effect when it’s pulled. The latter is scary too, but...
I think the difference might be that when the hand on the other end of the lead is Scottish, perhaps the pulling will be because Scotland really needs to be back on track, not because the person with the lead needs to pull on it every so often just to see if it still works!
The former sounds like a longer lead but with the same choking effect when it’s pulled. The latter is scary too, but...
I think the difference might be that when the hand on the other end of the lead is Scottish, perhaps the pulling will be because Scotland really needs to be back on track, not because the person with the lead needs to pull on it every so often just to see if it still works!
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
700,000 have said they would think about leaving - not the same thing. And in any case where would they go? And would they take their jobs and homes with them?
And you are certain about financial institutions - haven;t heard any financial institution say it would leave - plenty have contingency plans in the event of a YES and I suspect an option in all their plans will be to leave. But it will be one option.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Is Ireland still shafted or is it slowly climbing and working it's way out of the mess it found itself in?
they have to be in a country backed by a secure banking system- as Scotland won't meet that criteria they will have to leave. It's been stated many times.
yes agreed about the 700,000 only saying they would think about leaving. There should be a better poll with a straight will you leave or not question.
I have to say I have never been polled nor has anyone I know, nor anyone I work with nor any of their friends or family.....not one.
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
How would you know this if they hadn't been polled!
sorry, you've lost me
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I'm guessing because they have talked about it ?
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
sorry, you've lost me
So you asked a question to everyone you know, everyone you work with and their families and friends, have you ever been polled?.... that's a poll
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