ruff-driver
Journeyman Pro
Is it over ?
What would be useable data? I track every game on Game Golf, since being fitted for my latest Clubs in January I can show you my handicap has come down by nearly 2 strokes, my FIR's have improved, my GIR's have improved, accuracy to the flag has improved.If there's one thing that this thread proves, it is that there is a complete absence of any usable data, verified by a third party, about how effective particular clubs are. In 26 pages there isn't a single number that can be used to support or refute the various arguments.
The whole industry seems to benefit from this state of affairs, but at the expense of all of us.
Luckily, golf isn't really that important, but it would be nice if there was some non-interested 3rd party producing numbers that were useful. The trouble is, as soon as there's a hint of a genuinely independent voice, they are immediately bought out by the golfing military-industrial complex (vis. advertising in mags and all the youtubers being made 'brand ambassadors' and provided with jollies etc).
I had a driver fitting at the weekend at Wentworth TaylorMade performance lab. Must say, I rather enjoyed it. Hit a few with my own driver to get a baseline, then started hitting different heads / shaft combinations between the M1 and M2.
Ended up with a recommendation for M2 with 9.5' Diamana 60 S+ shaft at 45" length. The difference between that driver and my existing one was quite noticeable in terms of total distance (Avg 38 yards further (total)) and reduced spin rate (which is still far too high).
Yikes! That's a massive difference!
What was your previous combo, that such an improvement was made?
Biggest difference was a drop in spin from avg of 5124 versus 3665 (which is still too high and down to my poor technique). Smash Factor was 1.30 (existing) v 1.41
Yes indeed that is still way too high, somewhere around mid 2000's is ideal.
Would you think that mid 2000 spin rate would be better for a launch angle of 10 degrees and a swingspeed of 95mph?
Yes indeed that is still way too high, somewhere around mid 2000's is ideal.
Have you tried moving the ball forward in your stance to encourage more of a sweeping type of impact?
Would you think that mid 2000 spin rate would be better for a launch angle of 10 degrees and a swingspeed of 95mph?
Yes indeed that is still way too high, somewhere around mid 2000's is ideal.
Have you tried moving the ball forward in your stance to encourage more of a sweeping type of impact?
It is quite probably that standard length, standard lie, standard grip size clubs with regular flex shafts will be perfectly OK for about 70% of golfers, but what if you are in the other 30%?. I discovered that I needed 2 degree flat lies and slightly oversized grips about 20 years ago and my golf improved quite markedly after that. 😎
I have a rather flat swing plane with a tendency to be a bit in to out through the impact area. Problems with this are a tendency to hook the ball to the left or alternatively a push to the right. I also don't normally take divots, just brushing the grass at the bottom of the arc. My pro is trying to get me to swing a bit more upright with a more straight back take away, which feels miles outside the line to me!
From the 'Swingplane thread'....
If that's the case, your 2 degree flat lies might not be helping the change to 'a bit more upright' - assuming that that also carries through to impact! It may be worth considering either doing some bending, or (maybe less destructively) finding a 'standard' club to use for lessons/grooving before committing to changing the set! I'd certainly suggest you discuss whether your existing setup is contributing to the difficulty of changing with your Pro! It's quite amazing how the brain/body actually adjust to whatever seems to work - which may not actually be what you want!
I had a driver fitting at the weekend at Wentworth TaylorMade performance lab. Must say, I rather enjoyed it. Hit a few with my own driver to get a baseline, then started hitting different heads / shaft combinations between the M1 and M2.
Ended up with a recommendation for M2 with 9.5' Diamana 60 S+ shaft at 45" length. The difference between that driver and my existing one was quite noticeable in terms of total distance (Avg 38 yards further (total)) and reduced spin rate (which is still far too high).
...Getting clubs with the correct lie angle for me made a huge difference to my game!
It is quite probably that standard length, standard lie, standard grip size clubs with regular flex shafts will be perfectly OK for about 70% of golfers, but what if you are in the other 30%?. I discovered that I needed 2 degree flat lies and slightly oversized grips about 20 years ago and my golf improved quite markedly after that. 😎
Let's take this slowly...The percentages of 'non standard people' are debatable, but there has always been a case of a pro adapting clubs to the differently sized. Yes, the 5' or 6'8" man needs non standard clubs. But pros have always cut down, or lengthened clubs, or bent them a bit. Long before anyone ever heard the term 'club fitting', let alone it being a growing area of the game from cottage industry curio, to specialists with oodles of electronica, to every superstore and club pro claiming they offer it.
And it probably got away with it when it was under the radar and only for the really addicted.
That is not what is being questioned here really. The club fitting claim is that everyone, beginner, long term hacker, good player, bad player, normal shaped player, non-standard shaped player, etc, needs, or at worst can benefit from club fitting, is.
That there is a little sub industry in golf retail, that is borderline fraud, and an argument can easily be made as we have seen here, that there seems to be little substance to back up the gist of what it claims to offer, that it is taking advantage of people.
Yes, people can do what they like with their cash, and whatever helps them enjoy the game is fine. They may enjoy the process, golf tech banter and fancy gizmos spewing out numbers, and enjoy a confidence from knowing they have left no stone unturned in their search to play their best game. Fine. But that does not mean that it is not hocum. People enjoy going to psychics, and may feel they enjoy the process, and it helps give some purpose or confidence in decisions to be made of difficulties to be faced - but it is nevertheless a sham.
That there is a little sub industry in golf retail, that is borderline fraud, and an argument can easily be made as we have seen here, that there seems to be little substance to back up the gist of what it claims to offer, that it is taking advantage of people.