Random Irritations

PNWokingham said:
I am sure you love the union controlled 70s. Tell me, what did that do other than bankrupt our country (fact). Please enlighten us?
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I'm sure you have Google . Feel free to actually read into both sides of the argument

I mean on your fantasy car story even your hard right friends at the mail agree the unions weren't the complete reason and it's both sides of the coin

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2047860/British-car-industry-Why-none.html

But whatever suits your agenda ..
 
pauljames87 said:
I'm sure you have Google . Feel free to actually read into both sides of the argument

I mean on your fantasy car story even your hard right friends at the mail agree the unions weren't the complete reason and it's both sides of the coin

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2047860/British-car-industry-Why-none.html

But whatever suits your agenda ..
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Go to bed. I said the other night what is wrong with this forum. You stand on a pedestal as gold, silver and bronze. Sleep well
 
pauljames87 said:
I'm sure you have Google . Feel free to actually read into both sides of the argument

I mean on your fantasy car story even your hard right friends at the mail agree the unions weren't the complete reason and it's both sides of the coin

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2047860/British-car-industry-Why-none.html

But whatever suits your agenda ..
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You should know by now you shouldn’t be disagreeing with one of the forum elders. Don’t you know having a different opinion is ruining the forum?
 
PNWokingham said:
Go to bed. I said the other night what is wrong with this forum. You stand on a pedestal as gold, silver and bronze. Sleep well
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What's wrong with this forum is the fact that people like you talk and look down on everyone beneath them and then when challenged they don't like it.

That's what's wrong with the forum.
 
PNWokingham said:
What is your opinion petal? First on what subject and then what are you trying to say?
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My opinion is you should agree to disagree and respect people have a different opinion to yours.

I’ve never been a fan of unions myself and have opted out of joining at previous employers. But you have to acknowledge they have done a lot of good in the past.

I haven’t paid the slightest bit of attention to recent news and the strikes don’t impact on me at the minute so I don’t have an opinion on them.
 
BiMGuy said:
My opinion is you should agree to disagree and respect people have a different opinion to yours.

I’ve never been a fan of unions myself and have opted out of joining at previous employers. But you have to acknowledge they have done a lot of good in the past.

I haven’t paid the slightest bit of attention to recent news and the strikes don’t impact on me at the minute so I don’t have an opinion on them.
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Thing is I can't stand the RMT personally . I left them years ago because I didn't like the way they held London to Ransome. My union (tssa) is much more reasonable. I've been in every lul strike keeping London moving. Yet I'm militant ..

Even tho I cant stand the RMT their leader (Mick lynch) has impressed me so much in the network rail issue that I've read into the facts and Spoken to my uncle who works as maintenance there to see what the craic is . Rather than just assuming oh their being militants

Considering this was network rails first national strike in 2 decades I believe it was maybe more its hardly a small issue.

Don't see why researching and understanding issues is such a bad thing

Guess I'm too woke.
 
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BiMGuy said:
My opinion is you should agree to disagree and respect people have a different opinion to yours.

I’ve never been a fan of unions myself and have opted out of joining at previous employers. But you have to acknowledge they have done a lot of good in the past.

I haven’t paid the slightest bit of attention to recent news and the strikes don’t impact on me at the minute so I don’t have an opinion on them.
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1. I have no problem with people having different opinions. Happy to have debates with nice, intelligent, witty people
2. I am no fan of unions so we agree
3. Unions have certainly raised wages and made closed shops of jobs that are not open to a wider audience. Who would not love a 100k package train drivers job - how many adversts have u seen?
4. The strikes may mot impact you , very lucky. But they do a lot of other people (no earnings, inconvenience, frustration, inconvenience etc), and a large portion of these do not have proper contracts, it ruins takings all over the consumer economy and abilities to earn money, employ staff, maintain leases etc. The knock on to the real people and economy from strikes and the eco protest morons is severe.

I have utter sympathy for some who want more money- nurses, firefighters top of tree. But the reality at the moment is thatvit is impossible for people to getvwhat they want or even deserve. What do non unionised people so if they have not had any pay rise for a few years?
 
PNWokingham said:
1. I have no problem with people having different opinions. Happy to have debates with nice, intelligent, witty people
2. I am no fan of unions so we agree
3. Unions have certainly raised wages and made closed shops of jobs that are not open to a wider audience. Who would not love a 100k package train drivers job - how many adversts have u seen?
4. The strikes may mot impact you , very lucky. But they do a lot of other people (no earnings, inconvenience, frustration, inconvenience etc), and a large portion of these do not have proper contracts, it ruins takings all over the consumer economy and abilities to earn money, employ staff, maintain leases etc. The knock on to the real people and economy from strikes and the eco protest morons is severe.

I have utter sympathy for some who want more money- nurses, firefighters top of tree. But the reality at the moment is thatvit is impossible for people to getvwhat they want or even deserve. What do non unionised people so if they have not had any pay rise for a few years?
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They are certainly not closed shops.
Adverts come up all the time

We took on direct recruit night tube drivers

My grade has direct recruits from ex forces and an apprenticeship scheme into it
https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/careers/operations-signalling-and-control

Feel free to apply. Your over 18
 
pauljames87 said:
Thing is I can't stand the RMT personally . I left them years ago because I didn't like the way they held London to Ransome. My union (tssa) is much more reasonable. I've been in every lul strike keeping London moving. Yet I'm militant ..

Even tho I cant stand the RMT their leader (Mick lynch) has impressed me so much in the network rail issue that I've read into the facts and Spoken to my uncle who works as maintenance there to see what the craic is . Rather than just assuming oh their being militants

Considering this was network rails first national strike in 2 decades I believe it was maybe more its hardly a small issue.

Don't see why researching and understanding issues is such a bad thing

Guess I'm too woke.
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I used to be the same as PNW to be fair, bloody strikes making it a pain to get to work, greedy bar stewards and all that. But as you've said, Mick Lynch is great and speaks superbly when challenged. He's won me over in all fairness and I've started to understand the issues a little bit better. Plus it helps that post-Covid it's infinitely easier to say I'll just work from home that day so the strikes don't bother me anymore. ?
 
PNWokingham said:
More like 40 to 45 years. They wrecked our economy and bankrupted our nation in the 70s. We went cap in hand to the IMF, lost our car industy and a lot else. But hey, bothers stuck together for the common good
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I don't remember unions wrecking the economy or bankrupting the nation in the 1970s and if I read up on the history of our economy from that era, I can not find any evidence of what you state being factual. I was doing economics at A-level in the 1970s and took an interest in what was going on.

Our vehicle manufacturing began to be surpassed in production methods and techniques in the 1950s by the likes of USA and Germany, but business managers did not invest in the right way to keep up with the rest of the world. By the 1970s this trend was irreversible without major investment and nearly everything was sold to foreigners or closed by the 1980s.
How unions brought all this about - I can not see it. Workers in car factories were never the cause. Like most workers, they did what their boss told them to do.
If I were to seek blame for the decline in our vehicle production, I could blame the USA and Germany for being much better than us or managers of our businesses for their ill-judged decisions on investment. These two "blames" could be viewed as ridiculous, but not as ridiculous as blaming unions for wrecking the economy and bankrupting the nation.

There has been a severe case of wrecking the economy recently. But we can't go into that here, because it was done by politicians.
 
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PNWokingham said:
1. I have no problem with people having different opinions. Happy to have debates with nice, intelligent, witty people
2. I am no fan of unions so we agree
3. Unions have certainly raised wages and made closed shops of jobs that are not open to a wider audience. Who would not love a 100k package train drivers job - how many adversts have u seen?
4. The strikes may mot impact you , very lucky. But they do a lot of other people (no earnings, inconvenience, frustration, inconvenience etc), and a large portion of these do not have proper contracts, it ruins takings all over the consumer economy and abilities to earn money, employ staff, maintain leases etc. The knock on to the real people and economy from strikes and the eco protest morons is severe.

I have utter sympathy for some who want more money- nurses, firefighters top of tree. But the reality at the moment is thatvit is impossible for people to getvwhat they want or even deserve. What do non unionised people so if they have not had any pay rise for a few years?
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I know what they do.
Suffer or "suck it up" to use some new-age expression. That's what I did all my working life.
I went some years in the 1980s without a wage rise and for some years again in the 2010s.
I believe that all workers should have a union for them to choose or decline to join.
 
If you're not happy with your wages or terms and conditions, leave.
If enough people leave, then the company will need to do something to keep them and the business going.
I don't believe you need a Union for these things.
 
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