Random Irritations

[Deleted member 21784]

You can earn a lot more if you are female, so I've been told.
I don't know whether or not there is a militant union making the case for gender equality in pay. Perhaps that would only ruin the industry and cause chaos and misery.

That's one thing I'm incredibly proud of with LUL is the fact we are equal pay for men and women. We have 5 female controllers now on our 39 person roster and all on same wage (apart from 2 who are on more because they are trainers)

 

[Deleted member 23270]

If some work is so very essential, should it not be well paid?

Emptying bins is essential but I don't think it's very well paid. Train drivers average £59k a year, should bin men get the same?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Emptying bins is essential but I don't think it's very well paid. Train drivers average £59k a year, should bin men get the same?

https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salarie...he average salary for a,£31,816 in London, UK.

I'm sure PW will be disgusted to learn someone without a degree can earn a decent wage

Why is it always drivers are canned? Do people realise in the dispute so far the drivers have been AT work .. they haven't been striking it's been for the lower paid staff, who earn on average 31k doing maintenance and such

But drivers salaries are brought up to beat them

So many facts overlooked

 

[Beezerk]

I must have missed what happened to Ian George, was he outed?
Haven’t seen him clog up the LIV thread for a while.

 

[Dando]

having a racist dog! not content with cocking his leg on this guy's football he then decided to bark at him

My dog will be in for a shock when he sees himself in the mirror as he's jet black

 

[Deleted member 23270]

https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salaries/london-bin-man-salary-SRCH_IL.0,6_IM1035_KO7,14.htm#:~:text=The average salary for a,£31,816 in London, UK.

I'm sure PW will be disgusted to learn someone without a degree can earn a decent wage

Why is it always drivers are canned? Do people realise in the dispute so far the drivers have been AT work .. they haven't been striking it's been for the lower paid staff, who earn on average 31k doing maintenance and such

But drivers salaries are brought up to beat them

So many facts overlooked

Scroll down to the 5th job in the link you posted. It says TfL bin man £91k

 

[Dando]

I feel exactly the same way when I see how much male porn stars earn....
?????

and you're guaranteed a happy ending

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Scroll down to the 5th job in the link you posted. It says TfL bin man £91k

Wow. Considering tfl contracts are rubbish compared to Lul and aren't very union based that's crazy

 

[PNWokingham]

I don't remember unions wrecking the economy or bankrupting the nation in the 1970s and if I read up on the history of our economy from that era, I can not find any evidence of what you state being factual. I was doing economics at A-level in the 1970s and took an interest in what was going on.

Our vehicle manufacturing began to be surpassed in production methods and techniques in the 1950s by the likes of USA and Germany, but business managers did not invest in the right way to keep up with the rest of the world. By the 1970s this trend was irreversible without major investment and nearly everything was sold to foreigners or closed by the 1980s.
How unions brought all this about - I can not see it. Workers in car factories were never the cause. Like most workers, they did what their boss told them to do.
If I were to seek blame for the decline in our vehicle production, I could blame the USA and Germany for being much better than us or managers of our businesses for their ill-judged decisions on investment. These two "blames" could be viewed as ridiculous, but not as ridiculous as blaming unions for wrecking the economy and bankrupting the nation.

There has been a severe case of wrecking the economy recently. But we can't go into that here, because it was done by politicians.

As a wise lady once said, recollections may vary!

The economy was still in post-war boom period in the early 70s but then the oil crisis and increased union militism and strikes started the downturn, increased the lack of competitivnes, leading to rampant inflation and further economic problems, then roll on Arthur Scargill, working to rule, flying pickets, 3-day weeks, financial crisis leading to IMF bailout, further widespread strikes galore, electricity blackouts, winter of discontent, streets filled with rubbish. Glory days indeed.

 

[Voyager EMH]

Emptying bins is essential but I don't think it's very well paid. Train drivers average £59k a year, should bin men get the same?

Yes. But it won't be happening anytime soon, I'm afraid.

 

[PNWokingham]

Already proven the tube is not a closed shop yet you continue to run it as fact

Feel free to join as an apprentice or even as you have a degree a graduate....

Friends and family is not a thing at all.

box ticking exercises.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

box ticking exercises.

Box ticking? Lol ? wow you truly are showing yourself up today

Of our 39 persons on the roster

1/3 are ex apprentices
1/3 are direct recruits forming a mix of ex forces, prison officers, an engineer's
1/3 promotions from within the company

I'd say that's a nice diverse work force of experience

Or are you saying the direct recruits from the armed forces are just a box ticking?

 

[Voyager EMH]

As a wise lady once said, recollections may vary!

The economy was still in post-war boom period in the early 70s but then the oil crisis and increased union militism and strikes started the downturn, increased the lack of competitivnes, leading to rampant inflation and further economic problems, then roll on Arthur Scargill, working to rule, flying pickets, 3-day weeks, financial crisis leading to IMF bailout, further widespread strikes galore, electricity blackouts, winter of discontent, streets filled with rubbish. Glory days indeed.

The post-war production boom was over by the 1970s. The oil crisis caused inflation. Wages were not keeping pace with inflation, hence the unrest of workers. Lack of planning and investment in production caused the downturn. Other countries took a path of investment and government subsidies to keep their industries alive. Manufacturing in general fell behind the rest of the world as production costs increased. This was not because workers were overpaid or disrupted production. I remember no glory days.
But blame the low paid hard working people and the unions, if you like.
I still can't see how they brought this about.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

The post-war production boom was over by the 1970s. The oil crisis caused inflation. Wages were not keeping pace with inflation, hence the unrest of workers. Lack of planning and investment in production caused the downturn. Other countries took a path of investment and government subsidies to keep their industries alive. Manufacturing in general fell behind the rest of the world as production costs increased. This was not because workers were overpaid or disrupted production. I remember no glory days.
But blame the low paid hard working people and the unions, if you like.
I still can't see how they brought this about.

https://www.redpepper.org.uk/the-myth-of-the-1970s/

Good article here

 

[PNWokingham]

https://www.redpepper.org.uk/the-myth-of-the-1970s/

Good article here

thanks comrade . A very balanced assesment, now i know "the root cause of the problem the banks and the financial sector" and it was a myth that the unions held the country to ransom. I feel enlightened!

 

[Deleted member 23270]

Box ticking? Lol ? wow you truly are showing yourself up today

Of our 39 persons on the roster

1/3 are ex apprentices
1/3 are direct recruits forming a mix of ex forces, prison officers, an engineer's
1/3 promotions from within the company

I'd say that's a nice diverse work force of experience

Or are you saying the direct recruits from the armed forces are just a box ticking?

I think the issue being raised is nepotism. Do the apprentices etc have family connections in the company?
When I was a yoof I got a job with a very good company because my stepfather worked there, he 'had a word' with friends in management and HR. That's often how it works.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I think the issue being raised is nepotism. Do the apprentices etc have family connections in the company?
When I was a yoof I got a job with a very good company because my stepfather worked there, he 'had a word' with friends in management and HR. That's often how it works.

no they dont,
myself my neighbour found the advert in the paper

id say of all the ex apprentices only one has another member of family on the company and its her dad , he just saw the advert and got her to apply

the adverts are nationwide , my campaign was in the metro (not sure if you are familiar , its the free paper in london)

what you are alluding to cant happen legally anymore

 

[Deleted member 23270]

no they dont,
myself my neighbour found the advert in the paper

id say of all the ex apprentices only one has another member of family on the company and its her dad , he just saw the advert and got her to apply

the adverts are nationwide , my campaign was in the metro (not sure if you are familiar , its the free paper in london)

what you are alluding to cant happen legally anymore

You do realise that legally companies have to advertise? Doesn't stop 'favoured' candidates getting the jobs though. I was TUPE'd across to an Indian company and applied for an internal promotion. Quelle surprise I didn't get the job, they brought a totally useless idiot over from India who was 'better qualified' ?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

You do realise that legally companies have to advertise? Doesn't stop 'favoured' candidates getting the jobs though. I was TUPE'd across to an Indian company and applied for an internal promotion. Quelle surprise I didn't get the job, they brought a totally useless idiot over from India who was 'better qualified' ?

yes dave I do release legally they have to advertise, however when we were apprentices it was 16-18 year olds, you could hardly pick your favourites
same with the grad scheme

and the ex forces scheme, which is another one im proud of our company doing. Getting ex forces into the network after providing their service to the country

it makes for a diverse work force

 

[Voyager EMH]

Asking for better pay and conditions for a group of workers is not holding the country to ransom.
A party that forms a majority in parliament might have the ability to hold the country to ransom.
Still can't see how unions could have anything near that type of influence or power.
Exaggerations distorting facts.