Random Irritations

Kaz said:
96% of rape allegations are never prosecuted. Conviction rate for the other 4% pretty low.

Don’t worry football fans, he’ll be back banging in the goals in no time.

Meanwhile keep ignoring all the “low level” misogyny and abuse that leads to attacks like this.
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Kaz said:
Hi all - this is where I got that stat from

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48095118

Really don't appreciate the personal attacks, thanks.
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Neither do the football fans.

Kaz said:
You're mistaking sarcasm for hypocrisy and inferring far more than I intended but point taken, I took the wrong tone on that. Think there was a post defending him though, wasn't there, that was what irked me.
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If there was a post that defended him and irked you then why not quote it & remove any doubt? I saw one that I, and other football fans, felt was bang out of order and picked up on it; our reward was to be accused of piling in on the poster by someone else. To then get tarred as we were was out of order.
 
Foxholer said:
While you are here...I believe you are a current or ex member of the Police. (Please correct me if I'm wrong).
If so, what are your thoughts on why so few rape cases get prosecuted compared to allegations?
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I think you would need a course on what "evidence" is.
Massive books have been written on it. It's a subject and half!?
 
Swinglowandslow said:
I think you would need a course on what "evidence" is.
Massive books have been written on it. It's a subject and half!?
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Are you involved with law enforcement or jurisprudence?
If not, then I suggest you fade away and let the adults play!
If you are, then kindly explain how/why the percentage of rape allegations that proceed to trial is so woefully low! And what you suggest is the way to resolve the issue - even if the result is 'not guilty' - which may even be a vindication of 'the accused'!
 
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Foxholer said:
Are you involved with law enforcement or jurisprudence?
If not, then I suggest you fade away and let the adults play!
If you are, then kindly explain how/why the percentage of rape allegations that proceed to trial is so woefully low! And what you suggest is the way to resolve the issue - even if the result is 'not guilty' - which may even be a vindication of 'the accused'!
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Foxy, what a crass post, it is not your place to decide who can post on these boards, everyone is allowed to post within the forum rules.

Perhaps you would care to enlighten the forum of your own legal qualifications/ experience that enable you to comment on this subject, before you get back in your box ?
 
PhilTheFragger said:
Foxy, what a crass post, it is not your place to decide who can post on these boards, everyone is allowed to post within the forum rules.

Perhaps you would care to enlighten the forum of your own legal qualifications/ experience that enable you to comment on this subject, before you get back in your box ?
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Dam you Fragger, I had to take him off ignore to see what he had written. :ROFLMAO:
 
Foxholer said:
Are you involved with law enforcement or jurisprudence?
If not, then I suggest you fade away and let the adults play!
If you are, then kindly explain how/why the percentage of rape allegations that proceed to trial is so woefully low! And what you suggest is the way to resolve the issue - even if the result is 'not guilty' - which may even be a vindication of 'the accused'!
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A good friend of mine is quite senior within the CPS. People join the CPS to prosecute bad people, not to find loopholes to get them off, not that you were suggesting that but you get my point hopefully. They want to prosecute, that is their aim.

Their role though is to review evidence provided by the police and to judge if their is sufficient to enable a successful prosecution. Not a guaranteed prosecution but a reasonable chance that it will be successful. If the evidence isn't there than they will reject it. Trust me, that hurts them but that is their job.

Filling the courts with cases that will fail helps no one, that is partly why the CPS exists.
 
PhilTheFragger said:
Foxy, what a crass post, it is not your place to decide who can post on these boards, everyone is allowed to post within the forum rules.

Perhaps you would care to enlighten the forum of your own legal qualifications/ experience that enable you to comment on this subject, before you get back in your box ?
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Sister who was raped!
 
Foxholer said:
Are you involved with law enforcement or jurisprudence?
If not, then I suggest you fade away and let the adults play!
If you are, then kindly explain how/why the percentage of rape allegations that proceed to trial is so woefully low! And what you suggest is the way to resolve the issue - even if the result is 'not guilty' - which may even be a vindication of 'the accused'!
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Ok, I've just read this post and none subsequent to it. Giving you the benefit of the doubt for writing such rude riposte, perhaps I should have said"one" needs a course on evidence.....etc. The "you" was not intended to mean only you.
But don't you think your rudeness takes away the points of the rest of your post?
It would take a tome for me to give you my reasons why rape allegations etc, but suffice to say it is all about the rules of evidence. What is permitted to be given in a trial and what isn't.
And I do have a background in this area.
Briefly, some offences require corroboration- some in law ( speeding) and some in practice .
In fact, most offences will not be sent for "trial" without something more than an allegation.
E.g. Suppose some chap goes to the Police and makes a statement allegationing you did this that and the other that amounted to careless driving. The first you know about it is when the police call on you and tel you of the allegation and that they are investigating it. They ask you if the allegations are true. You deny them. You admit you were driving your car on that road atround that time but you did not make the moves that the accuser says you did. You did not drive carelessly.
DO you think the police /CPS should send you to court to see which of the two of you the magistrates believed?
Or do you think they should inform the alleger that there isn't no other enough evidence to prosecute?
It is those sorts of things- levels of evidence required by law- which determines decisions to prosecute.

I do believe that some steps can be taken to change the situation, but it involves a change in regard to all crime. The right to remain silent needs "tweaking "
I am concerned that the clamour to make rape convictions easier to obtain is going down a dangerous path. It's the wrong path. E.g. "The complainant should always be believed"
No, the complainant should always be listened to and her/his allegation should be fully and impartially investigated.
Two very different things.
 
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