chellie
Tour Winner
Does living abroad and paying no UK tax give anyone the right to spout incorrect information?
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That isn't how it works though. You pay proportionally. You don't reach a payment threshold and then wash your hands of it. We all, hopefully, pay in, it's a collective act.
If he was paying £100m a year, how much was he taking home still? Do you think he's struggling?
UK's top 100 taxpayers revealed - and who has contributed the most to a record £5.7bn?
Harry Styles was among the new entries to the list, with billionaire brothers behind gambling giant Betfred topping the rankings.
Respect to these people who earn their money here and pay their way.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
You mean income from his company that employed lots of immigrants- the same immigrants he is complaining about from Monaco
imagine very rich people having to pay a lot of tax due to earning millions
He also moved the offices from the uk to Switzerland in 2010 to ensure they didn’t pay 100mil tax each year
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
His company was paying the tax bill required by all companies until 2010 of course when he changed it to a Swiss one to avoid paying the tax bill
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
That isn't how it works though. You pay proportionally. You don't reach a payment threshold and then wash your hands of it. We all, hopefully, pay in, it's a collective act.
If he was paying £100m a year, how much was he taking home still? Do you think he's struggling?
UK's top 100 taxpayers revealed - and who has contributed the most to a record £5.7bn?
Harry Styles was among the new entries to the list, with billionaire brothers behind gambling giant Betfred topping the rankings.news.sky.com
Respect to these people who earn their money here and pay their way.
I get that, just saying if i'd paid hundreds of millions in tax in the UK before moving overseas i'd like to think i'd still be entitled to my opinions
(even if its not wholly agreed with)
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
A google suggests that was his personal tax bill
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
In April 2010, Ratcliffe moved INEOS's head office from Hampshire to Rolle, Switzerland, cutting the amount of tax the company paid by £100 million a year.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Ratcliffe#cite_note-21"><span>[</span>21<span>]</span></a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Ratcliffe#cite_note-22"><span>[</span>22<span>]</span></a>
Jim Ratcliffe - Wikipedia
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
In April 2010, Ratcliffe moved INEOS's head office from Hampshire to Rolle, Switzerland, cutting the amount of tax the company paid by £100 million a year.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Ratcliffe#cite_note-21"><span>[</span>21<span>]</span></a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Ratcliffe#cite_note-22"><span>[</span>22<span>]</span></a>
Jim Ratcliffe - Wikipedia
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look, we can quibble about how many millions he's personally paid in tax. He has a vast personal wealth that the tax on earnings wasn't paid by his companies
Your sole point in post #63349 was that he shouldn't 'cry' because he now lives in monaco
I disagree
D-S
Well-known member
However some of the reasons which afforded him the opportunity to earn that amount of money and paid tax due on it was that he had workers based in the UK who had been educated by UK tax payers, who had healthcare provided by UK taxpayers, were kept secure by the defence paid for by UK taxpayers, coming to work on roads paid for and maintained (though sporadically) by UK taxpayers etc. etc.
If he was a one man band, different story - however UK taxpayers money provided him with the means to make a lot of money although he, perhaps, was clever (or lucky or both). enough to exploit the opportunity.
A little gratitude goes a long way.
If he was a one man band, different story - however UK taxpayers money provided him with the means to make a lot of money although he, perhaps, was clever (or lucky or both). enough to exploit the opportunity.
A little gratitude goes a long way.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
He lost he right to cry about the UK when he upped and left to help save himself money
He has no issues with immigrants working for his companies
No issues with immigrants playing for his football team
Neilds
Assistant Pro
You can't disagree as you don't live in either the UK or Monaco
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
No representation without taxation.
I think this should apply.
I think this should apply.
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
You can't disagree as you don't live in either the UK or Monaco
Which is my point really
I don't currently work in UK but for decades I did, and paid tax. Phil reckons that means no opinions from me on UK matters until I move back
GreiginFife
Money List Winner
Interesting debate. As tax is proportional, the amount he paid is irrelevant. His £100m tax bill is no different to my £40k bill. His £100m gives him no more rights than someone paying £10k in tax.
I also find it slightly hilarious any British person complaining about colonisation.
I also find it slightly hilarious any British person complaining about colonisation.
PaulMdj
Well-known member
I actually agree with you he should be allowed an opinion, but when those opinions are factually incorrect he should be big enough to apologise for them.
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
Can't disagree, I actually haven't even fully read what he said beyond the headline. My post wasn't about what he said, just a wee rebuttal that he could say anything (right or wrong). That's why I initially said 'leaving his comment aside'
PaulMdj
Well-known member
But that’s the issue is, his comment is the problem, nobody should be given that much airtime and be allowed to tell lies.
There are consequences to what he said.
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
Unless you identify as a purely Celtic Britton, you are likely to be a part of the result of colonisation over the last 2,000 years.
He's entitled but we are even more entitled to tell him where to shove those opinions now that he isn't contributing anymore. Being superior from a distance, himself now being an immigrant irony of irony, doesn't tend to endear yourself to those still here.
I hope he is happy counting his gold in his mountain (little Tolkien reference there for those who didn't pick up on it
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Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
Jim Ratcliffe - crying about the uk whilst living in the tax haven of Monaco
Sorry guys I feel like I have to re-state the post I replied to
Nothing there about the rights or wrongs of the opinion/comment. Just that he's crying about the UK while living overseas. So its either irritating to Phil because the fella lives overseas or because he is Ratcliffe.
I (perhaps naively) didn't think it was the individual (Man U owner) that Phil objected to but because a previous UK resident and taxpayer was now living overseas.
In hindsight I suppose it could be the former reason, in which case my entire point is moot
