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Poults and RC qualification

He isn't landing in Hong Kong until late Wednesday night and is teeing off at mid day Thursday,
Terry his caddie is on a beach somewhere, so will have a stranger on the bag.
Given his lack of preparation and he is also missing a big event for his dreamflight charity, which will be at the back of his mind.
I give him zero chance of a top 20 finish
 
Tongo said:
Also, would Poulter even make it into the team at the moment? Not exactly pulling up any trees and was only so-so at Gleneagles.
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Exactly. Said it before and I'll say it again but unless he has a dramatic improvement in form he should not be on the team in a playing capacity. Make him a vice captain if anything. He was poor at Gleneagles, a disaster with Gallagher trying to mentor the rookie and he was being carried by Rory in the 4balls. There's a lot of rose tinted reminiscing saying he changed the match with a chip in, but that was all he did in between spraying it everywhere with his drives.

Part of the value of him in the Ryder Cup was the fear he instilled in the opposition, he was already half way to winning before he hit a ball as his reputation proceeded him. Nowadays the way he's playing no US player will fear him, in fact they will want to play him. Yes he was Mr Ryder Cup, but move on, Bruce Forsyth was Mr Entertainment, and he'd probably not be top of anyones list as the best entertainer nowadays. We have experience in people like Stenson, Rose and Rory who can play that role. And there are a number of very exciting youngsters coming through who should be given the chance.
 
PhilTheFragger said:
He isn't landing in Hong Kong until late Wednesday night and is teeing off at mid day Thursday,
Terry his caddie is on a beach somewhere, so will have a stranger on the bag.
Given his lack of preparation and he is also missing a big event for his dreamflight charity, which will be at the back of his mind.
I give him zero chance of a top 20 finish
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Probably but it does feel like one of those stories you always hear about someone qualifying last minute and playing a blinder, or not having clubs delivered till 2 mins before tee off etc. Sometimes the lack of expectation even helps the top players.

On the schedule I still don't think it's difficult for top players to maintain their tour cards, as mentioned 8 co-sanctioned events, and then they will tend to play weeks before the majors anyway. So Scottish Open in advance of the Open takes them to 9 ET, and 3 comps before each US major takes them to 11 PGA tour before they've even thought about schedule and sponsors commitments. That's just from 12 weeks of golf.

Throw in other UK events so Irish Open, Wentworth and British Masters and they've got to 12 ET without trying really, and I'm sure it's the same on the US tour with The Players etc (or is that a WGC now) and then the Fed ex series at the end if they qualify.
 
What I don't understand is that there was speculation that Casey might join the ET for next year to try and make the Ryder Cup team. If that was possible, what difference does it make if Poulter misses the 13 tournaments this year, can't he just rejoin next year and make sure he plays enough?

Slightly academic anyway, I fear, as he's not worth a pick on current form nor his performance at the last Ryder Cup and will need to up his game to secure an automatic spot.

I'd like to see him in the team but work to do. Good to see this level of commitment to making the team though, I hope he does well.
 
FairwayDodger said:
What I don't understand is that there was speculation that Casey might join the ET for next year to try and make the Ryder Cup team. If that was possible, what difference does it make if Poulter misses the 13 tournaments this year, can't he just rejoin next year and make sure he plays enough?

Slightly academic anyway, I fear, as he's not worth a pick on current form nor his performance at the last Ryder Cup and will need to up his game to secure an automatic spot.

I'd like to see him in the team but work to do. Good to see this level of commitment to making the team though, I hope he does well.
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If the rule is the same as the PGA (as has happened to Martin Kaymer) then (I think) that if Poulter doesn't play enough events this year he can't rejoin next year, he has to take a year off. So could only rejoin the European Tour in 2017.
 
Im going to be the odd one out & say they should have to play the current amount or even more .. If representing Europe in Ryder Cup means so much to them then why shouldnt they have to support their own tour ..
Chasing millions they dont really need ? Weather ? High Lifestyles

Currently the top European pro's are in a better position to promote the ET as they have ever been , if the ET can approach sponsors & say yes we will have Rory , Justin, Poults,Henrik Lee W, & the like in 6 comps a year .you mean to tell me sponsors wouldn't be all over it , that spectators wouldn't be all over it ..

If you want represent the ET , support it better
 
bladeplayer said:
Im going to be the odd one out & say they should have to play the current amount or even more .. If representing Europe in Ryder Cup means so much to them then why shouldnt they have to support their own tour ..
Chasing millions they dont really need ? Weather ? High Lifestyles

Currently the top European pro's are in a better position to promote the ET as they have ever been , if the ET can approach sponsors & say yes we will have Rory , Justin, Poults,Henrik Lee W, & the like in 6 comps a year .you mean to tell me sponsors wouldn't be all over it , that spectators wouldn't be all over it ..

If you want represent the ET , support it better
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Its not the European Tour you are representing though.... its Europe. We have a habit of shooting ourselves in the foot just for the sake of it - look at the England Rugby Team, one of best players cant play for us because he is playing in France (a better standard). I cant see the yanks ever employing a process like that.

I don't blame the players for going to america, bottom line is, this is their career and its a short one at that. If I have to choose between playing in american for double the money or India on some terrible courses, i know which one i am choosing.
 
MendieGK said:
Its not the European Tour you are representing though.... its Europe. We have a habit of shooting ourselves in the foot just for the sake of it - look at the England Rugby Team, one of best players cant play for us because he is playing in France (a better standard). I cant see the yanks ever employing a process like that.

I don't blame the players for going to america, bottom line is, this is their career and its a short one at that. If I have to choose between playing in american for double the money or India on some terrible courses, i know which one i am choosing.
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That's the rub though isnt it? The Americans aren't going to play elsewhere cos the most money and the most ranking points are on the PGA Tour so they dont have to worry about the big stars consistently playing on other tours.
 
MendieGK said:
Its not the European Tour you are representing though.... its Europe. We have a habit of shooting ourselves in the foot just for the sake of it - look at the England Rugby Team, one of best players cant play for us because he is playing in France (a better standard). I cant see the yanks ever employing a process like that.

I don't blame the players for going to america, bottom line is, this is their career and its a short one at that. If I have to choose between playing in american for double the money or India on some terrible courses, i know which one i am choosing.
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But qualification is through European tour events tho .. (isnt it ?)
Id go as far as saying except for Ryder Cup qualification we would see very little of the top 8/10 playing in Europe at all


Not to sidetrack the thread but what English rugby are doing is trying to protect their own club game , maybe the ET should be protective of their own tour a bit better aswell before it becomes (if not already ) a feeder tour
 
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murphthemog said:
If poulter isn't in the top 50, I wouldn't pick him anyway. He is wasting his time and money trying.
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given that he is currently the 13th highest ranking European in the world rankings (including Casey and Lingmerth who probably wont be eligible), I think that's a crazy statement.

Its been a really poor year for European golf other than a few exceptions (Lowry, Sullivan etc).
 
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MashieNiblick said:
As I understand it the Ryder Cup was founded as the PGA of America Vs The PGA of GB+I. With the inclusion of European players and the advent of the European Tour I believe that officially it is indeed a match between the PGA of America and the European Tour.
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That's correct. PGA of GB&I was originally responsible but, when it was expanded to include the European players, the PGA of Europe was given a share. More recently, the lion's share has been transferred to the European Tour (with British PGA and PGA of Europe remaining as minority partners).

It's understandable that the European Tour should insist on competitors undertaking a limited schedule in order to qualify. I wonder if Rich Beem is getting some stick from his compatriots in the locker room for giving "Mr Ryder Cup" a chance to qualify?

Shep
 
LincolnShep said:
That's correct. PGA of GB&I was originally responsible but, when it was expanded to include the European players, the PGA of Europe was given a share. More recently, the lion's share has been transferred to the European Tour (with British PGA and PGA of Europe remaining as minority partners).

It's understandable that the European Tour should insist on competitors undertaking a limited schedule in order to qualify. I wonder if Rich Beem is getting some stick from his compatriots in the locker room for giving "Mr Ryder Cup" a chance to qualify?

Shep
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I wonder whether Poulter slipped him some cash? i mean, £10k is more than the £0 he'd get for missing the cut!
 
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