Poults and RC qualification

[Imurg]

Poults is on the way to Hong Kong to play this week in order to qualify for selection for next years RC.
He slipped out of the top 50 in the world this week and as a result doesn't get entry to the WGC so he won't have played the requisite 13 events this year
Rich Been is giving up his invite so Poults can play...

Is it right that there should be a requirement to play "x" number of events to be up for selection or should it simply be down to where you're born and not where you play - bearing in mind that it's Europe not the European Tour vs USA....?

 

[Dan2501]

Should definitely be less restrictive. It's going to get to a point where the best players aren't available. The players don't want to commit to the European Tour because of the ridiculous schedule, so we'll end up not being able to pick the strongest XI. If Paul Casey is one of the best European players, he should be picked. Simple as. Until the Ryder Cup changes from USA vs Europe to PGA Tour vs European Tour, there should be no ridiculous qualification criteria. Pick the best players.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If it came down to where the player was born then they would IMO all give up European tour membership and chase the sun and the dollar on the PGA tour

The European Tour needs to protect itself and the players know the rules - it's not a hardship for them to play the required comps needed. Showing a minimal amount of commitment isn't a bad thing

If they really want to represent Europe in the Ryder Cup then they have the choice to have European membership

Casey obviously doesn't want to play for Europe enough and it will be his loss at the end of the day and that applies to anyone who misses out

 

[MashieNiblick]

Is it right that there should be a requirement to play "x" number of events to be up for selection or should it simply be down to where you're born and not where you play - bearing in mind that it's Europe not the European Tour vs USA....?

Until the Ryder Cup changes from USA vs Europe to PGA Tour vs European Tour, there should be no ridiculous qualification criteria. Pick the best players.

As I understand it the Ryder Cup was founded as the PGA of America Vs The PGA of GB+I. With the inclusion of European players and the advent of the European Tour I believe that officially it is indeed a match between the PGA of America and the European Tour.

 

[matt611]

Slightly ironic that Poults has to play in Hong Kong in order to play enough European tour events!

I think there needs to be some form of commitment to the European tour by the players, maybe the answer is just reducing the number of ET competitions required to be played.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

It isn't as though the players aren't aware of the qualification rules though. I don't think the number of events is that preclusive

 

[UlyssesSky]

It isn't as though the players aren't aware of the qualification rules though. I don't think the number of events is that preclusive

It actually may be. You have to remember players need to play a certain amount of rounds on BOTH tours in order to keep the respective tour card.

Just look at Martin Kaymer who just lost his US tour card 2015-2016 for not playing enough events on the PGA tour. Similar to Poults, who 'gambled' that he would stay inside the world top 50 and thus could play the WGC, Kaymer gambled and expected to make the FedEx Cup playoffs. Since he didn't he only played 13 events instead of 15.

Also remember Rory publicly considering dropping his European Tour card and focus solely on the PGA tour...


15 events on the PGA tour PLUS 13 events on the European Tour just to keep both tour cards is a lot, even if you factor in the co-sanctioned events.

Regular trans-atlantic flights probably don't help your golf, too.

 

[Norrin Radd]

four wgc and four majors ,are they all co sanctioned ,if so then it must be easy enough to play both tours as that in itself covers eight for each.
if they are not co sanctioned can someone tell me which are and which arent please.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Similar to Poults, who 'gambled' that he would stay inside the world top 50 and thus could play the WGC, Kaymer gambled and expected to make the FedEx Cup playoffs. .

And that's the problem. If they gamble and it doesn't come off where does the blame lie? I understand it can be hard to juggle the needs of both tours but you need to decide how much the RC means. How many events are there both tours over a season? Surely enough if players are prepared to put themselves out. It seems that they sometimes want their cake and eat it

 

[Tongo]

Tis worth bearing in mind that for all the comments about it being difficult to fulfill the number of events on each tour that both Justin Rose and Rory were playing in the Frys.com Open the weekend just gone. Was that really necessary? Particularly as Rory apparently wont play enough events to qualify for the finals without special dispensation.

 

[Tongo]

Also, would Poulter even make it into the team at the moment? Not exactly pulling up any trees and was only so-so at Gleneagles.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Tis worth bearing in mind that for all the comments about it being difficult to fulfill the number of events on each tour that both Justin Rose and Rory were playing in the Frys.com Open the weekend just gone. Was that really necessary? Particularly as Rory apparently wont play enough events to qualify for the finals without special dispensation.

13 events on both tours isn't it? Don't the majors count for both tours?

 

[Tongo]

13 events on both tours isn't it? Don't the majors count for both tours?

Indeed. And the WGC events. (Apart from the one that clashes with the French Open next year)

Still interested as to why Justin and Rory played in such a low-key US Tour event.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Indeed. And the WGC events. (Apart from the one that clashes with the French Open next year)

Still interested as to why Justin and Rory played in such a low-key US Tour event.

So we know Rose, Poulter and all will get in the majors so that's four taken care of although I don't know whether they count for both tours or do they have to pick which tour total this comes off? If they are co-sanctioned does that mean just 9 per tour from there?

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

four wgc and four majors ,are they all co sanctioned ,if so then it must be easy enough to play both tours as that in itself covers eight for each.
if they are not co sanctioned can someone tell me which are and which arent please.

^^ this

This covers 8 events straight away leaving 44 weeks (give or take allowing for the 'off season') to fit in approx 15 events on either side of the pond? I have to work 47 weeks a year for a fraction of what these guys earn......oh it must be tough for them

 

[HomerJSimpson]

^^ this

This covers 8 events straight away leaving 44 weeks (give or take allowing for the 'off season') to fit in approx 15 events on either side of the pond? I have to work 47 weeks a year for a fraction of what these guys earn......oh it must be tough for them

I have to agree. Surely they can plan a schedule around those simple requirements

 

[Norrin Radd]

we mustnt forget that these poor lambs get oh so tired playing golf three weeks in a row let alone have to work like we do for six days a week and still play golf twice or even three times a week .
im glad im not a top pro ,i couldnt stand the pace .oh hang on dont they play slowly.

 

[Dan2501]

Yeah, 'cause being a Tour pro, especially a European Tour pro is so damn easy.......

http://mag.thegcw.co.uk/issues/6-Fitzpatrick/the-secret-tour-pro.html

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Yeah, 'cause being a Tour pro, especially a European Tour pro is so damn easy.......

http://mag.thegcw.co.uk/issues/6-Fitzpatrick/the-secret-tour-pro.html

He is painting a picture to suit his stance. It's not exactly difficult to fit in the required events. Both tours have regional swings where there are 2, 3 or more events in close proximity (South Africa, Middle East, California etc) The players can rack up quite a few events in a short space of time if they plan their schedules accordingly.

 

[Jates12]

If it came down to where the player was born then they would IMO all give up European tour membership and chase the sun and the dollar on the PGA tour

The European Tour needs to protect itself and the players know the rules - it's not a hardship for them to play the required comps needed. Showing a minimal amount of commitment isn't a bad thing

If they really want to represent Europe in the Ryder Cup then they have the choice to have European membership

Casey obviously doesn't want to play for Europe enough and it will be his loss at the end of the day and that applies to anyone who misses out

This.