JamPal
Assistant Pro
LOL! 9th on our river course, the whole green is obscured by a large tree.
Par 3s Bottom of Flagstick Visibility
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guest100718
Guest
not an unusual occurance. Do you not have any blind shots?
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
I should add that this hasn't t got any where near our Greens Committee - just the subject of a conversation between some members - i thought the idea was more than daft but just wondered what others thought.
As mentioned I think one of the main thoughts behind this was the difficulty posed by the dead ground in front of the green and of not being able to see your ball finish. Both reasons I think are just frankly silly.
And yes we do have some blind approaches and other approaches to raised greens when you can't see bottom of the flag. Just that the comments were specifically in respect of par 3s,
As mentioned I think one of the main thoughts behind this was the difficulty posed by the dead ground in front of the green and of not being able to see your ball finish. Both reasons I think are just frankly silly.
And yes we do have some blind approaches and other approaches to raised greens when you can't see bottom of the flag. Just that the comments were specifically in respect of par 3s,
Rlburnside
Challenge Tour Pro
My brother (Golfmmad) used to be a member at Singing Hills, played all 3 nines with him, I liked the 9th on the river course probebly because I hit a good iron off the tee and liked the walk up to the green wondering how close the ball was to the pin.
Norrin Radd
Tour Winner
if you think you have trouble seeing the bottom of the pin ,just be glad you havent got the tenth at Woodlands Manor to play.
all you see is the front lip of the green and the trees on the far side of the eleventh tee .
its not called the Eiger for nothing. as for judging where the pin is ,you are lucky if you can see it.
all you see is the front lip of the green and the trees on the far side of the eleventh tee .
its not called the Eiger for nothing. as for judging where the pin is ,you are lucky if you can see it.
Cheifi0
Challenge Tour Pro
Couldn't agree with you more, walking up and seeing your ball feet away after a pure shot is one of golfs delights.
Just goes to show what greens committees have to put up with up and down the country! Don't get me wrong I prefer to see the green as it helps me to visualise my shot but there is a place for a few raised greens over 18 holes. I would of thought that the best solution would be along the lines of implementing a front, middle and back flag system.
richart
Major Champion
I know the hole, 13th at Farnham. it would be a much better hole visually if the bunker was taken away. Green is not very wide, but quite deep. Bunkers to the side frame the green nicely, but front bunker just blocks the view of the green. Poor design in my opinion on a flat hole.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
It's exactly that. A hard SW straight up to a green and flag you can't see.....Brilliant design....not!
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
That describes it very nicely sir - and of course you know the hole - so given that, do you think the observation made about seeing the bottom of the pin by reducing the greenside rim is a fair one - sounds like you might not disagree?
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
Played a par 3 today and you couldn't see the green never mind the bottom of the flag
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Which is as it is with the Par 3 I am asking about. But did you think it was in any way 'unfair'. I hope not as you will grumble about the Par 3 5th at Painswick in the Cotswolds. Not only is the green completely out of site - forget seeing the top of the flag never mind the bottom (though they may have very long flag on it these days
) I love it... quoting their website.Only 114 yds but over the 70ft high hill fort ramparts. The green is only 12 yds beyond the crest. Don’t be short. This hole features in the book 100 most extraordinary golf hole of Britain
freddielong
Tour Winner
I know you may have had a lot of negative posts in regards to your op but looking at this reply i think you may have approached it from the wrong reason. You made your post sound like there was something wrong with the hole from a purely golfing/playing perspective which made no sense, but if you are seeking the change to improve the way the hole looks then yes i am sure there are many holes that can be improved in this way as well as many that should be left well alone.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Not the look of the hole - though @richart (who knows the hole very well) thinks that the look of the hole would be improved were we to remove the cross bunker that completely hides the green (and the bottom of the flag) - and he is probably correct.
The point my fellow members were discussing was seeing the bottom of the flag for playability - the hole is made harder due to the bunker hiding the dead ground between bunker and green as well as hiding the green (this is a nonsense argument IMO); and also that it is better to be able to see where your shot finishes - the bunker hides whether your ball is close to the hole or over the back (I think this also a nonsense).
Noooo! Next it'll be totally flat fairways and lipless bunkers. All greens to collect in the centre, where the flag is always positioned.
On a more serious note, why spend all that time and money doing something that in reality is of no benefit to most golfers? I can see the bottom of the pin on pretty much every green I fire into at my home club. I'm happy to hit the green...
very true, you would end up with not many holes on links course, if you had to see the bottom of the flag
Hosel Fade
Tour Rookie
Same goes for Dollar GC #2, anyway am I a complete idiot for thinking thw solution is super easy? Why do construction work for thousands of pounds when you can either
a) put a sign up on the tee and just update it with a whiteboard marker when new holes are cut, costs next to nothing
b) get some coloured pin flags and you can then indicate the pin positions on all the holes, probably about 200 quid for really nice ones with the crest on
c) get the little repair pitchmark flags you can add to the flagstick and show where the pin is by moving it up and down
Seems vastly unnecessary
And no sand in the bunkers as its blown out.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
I think I now have sufficient arguments to counter the thoughts of those members harbouring their daft idea.
NWJocko
Tour Winner
I think I now have sufficient arguments to counter the thoughts of those members harbouring their daft idea.
As been said above, it might not be a daft idea if the reason is to make the hole look much nicer but is for the reason's they've stated.......
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Quite - they weren't looking for the bunker to be removed to make hole look better - just drop the green-side rim - not that it is that high in any case. Daft idea.
