Non Qualfiying Scores from Away Clubs

[PhilTheFragger]

Man up and just play really? Your/their handicap will just be what it is.....

unreal reply
shakes head and walks away

 

[Papas1982]

Man up and just play really? Your/their handicap will just be what it is.....

Id wager the player that mans up has a worse handicap than the player that uses course management and risk assessment. First and foremost I play golf for fun, but you still assess. I'd rather have four boring pars tha 3 bogeys from short sighting myself to go with the Hollywood birdie for aiming at the pin 2 ft over the lake.....

 

[SammmeBee]

Id wager the player that mans up has a worse handicap than the player that uses course management and risk assessment. First and foremost I play golf for fun, but you still assess. I'd rather have four boring pars tha 3 bogeys from short sighting myself to go with the Hollywood birdie for aiming at the pin 2 ft over the lake.....

One doesn't pay to lay up.........

 

[2blue]

You have to define social golf.

Is it a roll up with 12 players or a game with a couple of mates.
Any bigger than 12 and it could easily be a club comp and a qualifier.

I shot 3 under gross with a mate once but only level par in a comp and I remember feeling really relaxed in the game with my mate and had no nerves whatsoever even though I knew I had a good score going,i also remember when I shot level par of being nervous a few holes out.

For me a cut should only come from an official round in a qualifying comp.

We have no Club arranged 'roll-ups' so I'd say all the 'ball-toss' groups however big (ours can be 16 or so) are 'social'. At often 4 a week, I think we have far more Q Comps than most so the social element being discussed will be less relevant though, I agree, it's not terribly clear. Good idea though.

 

[2blue]

Man up and just play really? Your/their handicap will just be what it is.....

Nay..... golf is not a test of 'man-hood', more to do with ones character & make-up so a great variety of traits are acceptable providing the overall one is of honesty... well that's my thoughts anyway.

 

[2blue]

I guess, like the 7 consecutive 0.1's scenario they'll come along later to clarify..... just leaves us doing our own thing to begin with though which is not right good in a game that relies heavily on us playing to the same rules🤔

 

[Deleted member 16999]

If someone is being a bandit then they just won't let the club know any of their scores from any away open - it's also only from affliated clubs so comps like TT and LTD etc don't have to comply as they are basically just big societies.

So realistically unless it's all compulsory and automated then nothing will change.

Were is the evidence to back this statement about TT and LTD etc not having to comply, surely if I play in them and meet the criteria laid down I am expected to inform my club, also events we've held in the past like Race to Hillside etc, if they meet the criteria shouldn't we submit them scores ourselves as well?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Were is the evidence to back this statement about TT and LTD etc not having to comply, surely if I play in them and meet the criteria laid down I am expected to inform my club, also events we've held in the past like Race to Hillside etc, if they meet the criteria shouldn't we submit them scores ourselves as well?

Criteria after speaking with County HC and awaiting confirmation from EGU and Congu

Comps must be organised and run by Congu Affliated organisations EGU or SGU WGU Affliated clubs

TT and LTD are just society meets , same with forum meets which are just societies

The scores will come from the many organised club opens throughout the year which are deemed Non Q - is 4BBB or any other team type format which previously results didn't get sent back to the club.

Have also confirmed that with my counterpart at Woburn

 

[Fish]

Were is the evidence to back this statement about TT and LTD etc not having to comply, surely if I play in them and meet the criteria laid down I am expected to inform my club, also events we've held in the past like Race to Hillside etc, if they meet the criteria shouldn't we submit them scores ourselves as well?

Is it not a case of scores under competition conditions only played and orchestrated by golf clubs per se, i.e. Opens, BB's, AM AM's etc, and then the addition of 'regular' roll ups, if so does that exclude all external comps that are not run through a golf club but a sponsor?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Is it not a case of scores under competition conditions only played and orchestrated by golf clubs per se, i.e. Opens, BB's, AM AM's etc, and then the addition of 'regular' roll ups, if so does that exclude all external comps that are not run through a golf club but a sponsor?

That's my question Robin, best wait for his email reply from EGU and Congu as everything else appears to be educated guesswork until then.
The document headline says Non Qualifying Scores and the template provided to help clubs doesn't ask for who organised the event just the Venue, Format, Course SSS etc.

 

[Crazyface]

Sorry about starting the other thread. I'm a tad late for this as well, but I'll add my bit. Their off their stupid heads. Who is going to provide details of a cracking score elsewhere? It also ends any discussion about whether scores are returned to home clubs when players play well and win away from home (bandits!!!!!!!! big big bandits!!!!!). It's just not going to happen. I can assure you of this. Total idiots!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Sorry about starting the other thread. I'm a tad late for this as well, but I'll add my bit. Their off their stupid heads. Who is going to provide details of a cracking score elsewhere? It also ends any discussion about whether scores are returned to home clubs when players play well and win away from home (bandits!!!!!!!! big big bandits!!!!!). It's just not going to happen. I can assure you of this. Total idiots!

There is also the return sheet for clubs that host Open Comps to fill out and also send back to clubs

So it's possible that anyone getting high scores in team comps won't be able to hide it as the club hosting the event will have sent the results back to the home clubs

 

[Hobbit]

Sorry about starting the other thread. I'm a tad late for this as well, but I'll add my bit. Their off their stupid heads. Who is going to provide details of a cracking score elsewhere? It also ends any discussion about whether scores are returned to home clubs when players play well and win away from home (bandits!!!!!!!! big big bandits!!!!!). It's just not going to happen. I can assure you of this. Total idiots!

Stay off the Skittles and fizzy drinks CF!! Too many E numbers

 

[Deleted member 16999]

There is also the return sheet for clubs that host Open Comps to fill out and also send back to clubs

So it's possible that anyone getting high scores in team comps won't be able to hide it as the club hosting the event will have sent the results back to the home clubs

Only for the top 5 places as per YOUR link!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Only for the top 5 places as per YOUR link!

So anyone getting high results will no doubt be in the Top 5 don't you think ?

May I suggest at your next AGM you volunteer for the role as Handicap and Comps Secretary - seems you have the right temperament for it and of course the knowledge required

 

[Deleted member 16999]

So anyone getting high results will no doubt be in the Top 5 don't you think ?

Irrelevant, could be a comp were lot's score under handicap and finish outside top 5 and clubs wouldn't know unless the individual informs them, plus Clubs are only requested to send the paperwork out, not mandated.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

So anyone getting high results will no doubt be in the Top 5 don't you think ?

May I suggest at your next AGM you volunteer for the role as Handicap and Comps Secretary - seems you have the right temperament for it and of course the knowledge required

Please don't insult me and edit after you post, you're taking the posts away from the subject and getting personal, it's quite simple, read what you post and you won't leave yourself open. Back to topic please.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Irrelevant, could be a comp were lot's score under handicap and finish outside top 5 and clubs wouldn't know unless the individual informs them, plus Clubs are only requested to send the paperwork out, not mandated.

So I right when I said it's "possible" - cheers for clearing that up

So in your experience of the HC and Competitions systems in place what do you suggest clubs , HC and Comps Secs like myself should do - also how should it be incorporated into the current IT systems that we the Comp and HC secs use on a daily basis , all the while remember that these Non Q's have zero immediate effect on someone's HC.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Please don't insult me and edit after you post, you're taking the posts away from the subject and getting personal, it's quite simple, read what you post and you won't leave yourself open. Back to topic please.

I'm not insulting you - you appear to have a very strong opinion in regards this current change that will happen and being a HC sec will help you implement and translate it for your clubs members in the way you believe it's being put across.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

So I right when I said it's "possible" - cheers for clearing that up

So in your experience of the HC and Competitions systems in place what do you suggest clubs , HC and Comps Secs like myself should do - also how should it be incorporated into the current IT systems that we the Comp and HC secs use on a daily basis , all the while remember that these Non Q's have zero immediate effect on someone's HC.

Read the thread, you've already been questioned making out how much extra work it's going to cause, resign if you're not happy.
Personally I see it as a positive step, you along with others moan about things like the TT and this may go a small way to removing some bandits, any away comps I play in I will comply with what my club asks for.