Non Qualfiying Scores from Away Clubs

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bobmac said:
Don't worry, once we adopt the USGA system, everything will be sorted ;)
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Works for me Bob, in NZ you played away and left your card there and they inputted the system, in that respect EGU are still in the dark ages wanting you to input via paper forms !!!

Fish said:
I won the first comp of the season and was cut 2.7 shots to 17.0, I then made it to the semi finals in both the clubs Greensomes & Foursomes which were played throughout the season, I won the 3-club challenge 5 under handicap, I made it to the regional finals of a singles National Matchplay comp, I've won a handful of roll ups well under handicap, won my fair share of GM meets and played under handicap or to buffer at most of them, won at West Hill in a Mariners comp, won in team events home & away, including some GM ones, just came 2nd the other week in a team event with a full field, BUT, I've not faired well in my monthly medal stroke play qualifiers and going by the rules, as I'm now on 18.0 I should get an additional shot back 😜👍😂

So, I have not been cut in my AR and wouldn't expect to as it's only based on Medal comps, but everyone else wants me to be cut, other than my pairs partners & team partners 😂😂

Personally I've not had a bad season 🤔

Would any of you cut me based on the above and if so, to what?
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Given the way you played at Enville last time I'd happily give you 28 ;) but I like to think that was the start of YOTF :thup:
 
Spoke to the County HC about it on Saturday after he got my email

He is awaiting for 100% confirmation but believes it's as most suspect

The away scores to be given to the Clubs HC are ones gained at Club Opens organised by Affliated clubs on a measured course using HC allocations ( team format ) as within the Congu Manual plus any Single comps that have been deemed Non Q for any reasons.

Results from non affiliated comps can be given if the player wishes too but they do not have to be taken into consideration during AR - he said players have been able to give their scores if they wish before anyway.

As for the Roll Ups

It's for Rolls Ups that are organised by the club and the roll up is using the full measured course and in comp conditions - he said most clubs already run them as Qualifiers anyway it's just to mop up a few that run a weekly roll up as Non Official. It doesn't include your roll Ops organised by a club member for a group of players , using gimmies , or HC cuts that are non official etc.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Spoke to the County HC about it on Saturday after he got my email

He is awaiting for 100% confirmation but believes it's as most suspect

The away scores to be given to the Clubs HC are ones gained at Club Opens organised by Affliated clubs on a measured course using HC allocations ( team format ) as within the Congu Manual plus any Single comps that have been deemed Non Q for any reasons.

Results from non affiliated comps can be given if the player wishes too but they do not have to be taken into consideration during AR - he said players have been able to give their scores if they wish before anyway.

As for the Roll Ups

It's for Rolls Ups that are organised by the club and the roll up is using the full measured course and in comp conditions - he said most clubs already run them as Qualifiers anyway it's just to mop up a few that run a weekly roll up as Non Official. It doesn't include your roll Ops organised by a club member for a group of players , using gimmies , or HC cuts that are non official etc.
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So.... that's much clearer, hope something official appears..... however, I'm now interested to know how folk would be looking to have those results declared by the players. I know some Clubs already have a file for recordings but I wonder if it would be better that, perhaps, a monthly sheet on a noticeboard would be better as it could then also be monitored by their peers. Yes, those holding the Opens should be sending the top 5 results out but we really want to develop a culture of 'player declaration', don't we??
Also how would you look at applying sanctions for not declaring, as suggested by EGU. Perhaps a 2 x Yellow cards before RED?? or perhaps a lot more discretion in the 1st year use
 
It's the golf unions attempting to do something about clubs golfers complaining about "bandits" winning open comps with, handicaps they can, without putting too finer point on it, cheat with. Thing is, it's just a lazy option, putting the responsibility on clubs, rather than actually sorting the problem themselves.
The solution would be to ensure all software used by clubs could link directly into the Unions and R+A overall H/C records and that ALL club qualifiers and Opens were recorded on the clubs computers. All scores then uploaded.
But this would cost money and the R+A aren't going to spend money on doing something for their grass root members. They are too concerned on spending huge amounts on upgrading Open venues for the top players and hobnobbing with them. So, in my role as comp sec, and probably H/C sec next season I can tell the R+A IT WON'T HAPPEN AT MY PLACE. (We've already discussed this via e-mail and realised it totally impracticable). So, put the money up R+A and get this sorted properly, you idiots!
 
Crazyface said:
It's the golf unions attempting to do something about clubs golfers complaining about "bandits" winning open comps with, handicaps they can, without putting too finer point on it, cheat with. Thing is, it's just a lazy option, putting the responsibility on clubs, rather than actually sorting the problem themselves.
The solution would be to ensure all software used by clubs could link directly into the Unions and R+A overall H/C records and that ALL club qualifiers and Opens were recorded on the clubs computers. All scores then uploaded.
But this would cost money and the R+A aren't going to spend money on doing something for their grass root members. They are too concerned on spending huge amounts on upgrading Open venues for the top players and hobnobbing with them. So, in my role as comp sec, and probably H/C sec next season I can tell the R+A IT WON'T HAPPEN AT MY PLACE. (We've already discussed this via e-mail and realised it totally impracticable). So, put the money up R+A and get this sorted properly, you idiots!
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What does the R&A have to do with it ? It's nothing to do with them

The software already does all link into the EGU CDH system - the EGU already have all our HCs on a base

All comp qualifiers and singles Opens are already loaded onto the computers and then sent to the EGU CDH

Most clubs already use their relevant systems for people to enter their team Non Q scores - what the EGU needs to do ( not R&A ) is allow those Non Q scores to be sent to the CDH and then sent to the clubs - I expect that to be the next step.

You are having a rant at the wrong people - clubs spending money updating courses ?!? Irrelevant

There is also a lot of responsibility been given to the player - it is their responsibility to inform the clubs
 
Crazyface said:
. So, in my role as comp sec, and probably H/C sec next season I can tell the R+A IT WON'T HAPPEN AT MY PLACE. (We've already discussed this via e-mail and realised it totally impracticable). So, put the money up R+A and get this sorted properly, you idiots!
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Looks like you have a lot to learn. As comp sec you should know more than you appear to.
 
Crazyface said:
It's the golf unions attempting to do something about clubs golfers complaining about "bandits" winning open comps with, handicaps they can, without putting too finer point on it, cheat with. Thing is, it's just a lazy option, putting the responsibility on clubs, rather than actually sorting the problem themselves.
The solution would be to ensure all software used by clubs could link directly into the Unions and R+A overall H/C records and that ALL club qualifiers and Opens were recorded on the clubs computers. All scores then uploaded.
But this would cost money and the R+A aren't going to spend money on doing something for their grass root members. They are too concerned on spending huge amounts on upgrading Open venues for the top players and hobnobbing with them. So, in my role as comp sec, and probably H/C sec next season I can tell the R+A IT WON'T HAPPEN AT MY PLACE. (We've already discussed this via e-mail and realised it totally impracticable). So, put the money up R+A and get this sorted properly, you idiots!
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The responsibility for implementing any changes, and the responsibility for managing handicaps, has always rested with the clubs. How else can it be done? As to the cost; what cost? You already have a system, which includes reviews. It sounds like your club is one of the lazy ones and is partly responsible for the cheats anyway, i.e. you're not managing it as you should.

Under the previous General play rule, rule 19, the clubs already had the authority/option to manage a player's handicap if away scores weren't returned. Unfortunately, a number of clubs, either holding Opens or knowing players were playing away, didn't exercise their responsibility. As a result, EGU have instigated the changes.

Looks to me like the EGU is forcing clubs to do what they should have been doing anyway, and good on them for that. Hopefully your club will wake up and smell the coffee...
 
Email received from EG today stating that the software developers are looking at ways for Open BB etc being integrated through the CDH system and automating returns however it is up to clubs at present to advise members of the new requirements.
 
Old Skier said:
Email received from EG today stating that the software developers are looking at ways for Open BB etc being integrated through the CDH system and automating returns however it is up to clubs at present to advise members of the new requirements.
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Having talked to our handicap sec that wont be happening any time soon which I feel is disappointing :(
 
I see EG have revised the statement Version 2 10th Jan. It clarifies a few things like its..... NQ Comps away from the players home Club that are returned.
We're moving on it, after one or two members of our Men's Committee thought it should be EG doing it all, until we got them to realize that in fact the responsibility rests with each Club.
 
2blue said:
I see EG have revised the statement Version 2 10th Jan. It clarifies a few things like its..... NQ Comps away from the players home Club that are returned.
We're moving on it, after one or two members of our Men's Committee thought it should be EG doing it all, until we got them to realize that in fact the responsibility rests with each Club.
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They have also removed the bit about roll ups being Qualfiying comps as well
 
Not sure the wording makes any clearer, I preferred LP's explanation

"Following the original notification sent out on the 23[SUP]rd[/SUP] December 2016, we have listened to the feedback we have received regarding the wording and made amendment where required.We would like to apologise for any inconvenience/concerns that this caused.

England Golf have made the decision that as of 1[SUP]st[/SUP] January 2017, all players are required to return non-qualifying scores to their home club.
In order to do this England Golf will enforce Clause 4.5b and 8.12 of the CONGU UHS: –
Clause 4.5b - The Union has some discretionary powers. It may require a player to return to his Home Club information regarding scores in Non-Qualifying Competitions as provided by Clause 8.12.
Clause 8.12 - The player must: Provide to his Home Club information regarding scores in Non-Qualifying Competitions if so directed by a Union – see Clause 4.5(b).
This will take effect from the 1st January 2017."
 
it's supposed to be a society handicap but some have been using thier club.
 
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