New lockdown will courses close?
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tugglesf239
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It needs to be challenged.
Not because I’m desperate to play (which I am) But because of the raft of ludicrous attacks on all our civil liberties that have been rolled / hidden with other more realistic and obvious covid measures.
I am genuinely concerned about how Britain and more specifically the British people will be managed in a post covid world. If anyone believes that this or any government won’t turn the British people’s acceptance and willingness to participate in the removal of basic civil rights, in a post covid world, then you are kidding yourselves.
FYI. I am not some anarchist or a person who would normally have thought like the above previously. I’m an ex member of the armed forces and a person that I would describe as being pretty patriotic and aligned with the rule of government and the law.
However there are far more agendas than just fighting covid at play here and it does not take a genius to work them out.
It’s pretty worrying imo.
Not because I’m desperate to play (which I am) But because of the raft of ludicrous attacks on all our civil liberties that have been rolled / hidden with other more realistic and obvious covid measures.
I am genuinely concerned about how Britain and more specifically the British people will be managed in a post covid world. If anyone believes that this or any government won’t turn the British people’s acceptance and willingness to participate in the removal of basic civil rights, in a post covid world, then you are kidding yourselves.
FYI. I am not some anarchist or a person who would normally have thought like the above previously. I’m an ex member of the armed forces and a person that I would describe as being pretty patriotic and aligned with the rule of government and the law.
However there are far more agendas than just fighting covid at play here and it does not take a genius to work them out.
It’s pretty worrying imo.
AmandaJR
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You literally can but it cannot be classed as essential imo.
eddie_1878
Active member
I’m in a similar boat (excuse the pun). I’m by no means a conspiracy theorist, more the opposite if truth be known, but I can’t help but get the impression the government are ‘probing’ with some of these restrictions. There’s a lot that doesn’t add up.
robinthehood
Hacker
If courses are open then the travel part will be fine and perfectly OK under the guidelines as they stand.
tugglesf239
Journeyman Pro
This is not aimed at you Amanda, far from it.
My question is though, who is defining what is essential or not in life? The government?
I see that as some crude examples of non essential items are books, clothing and electrical goods.
I’d argue very strongly that for modern life all those things are essential.
Especially to educate, clothe children or to replace a freezer or washing machine etc.
Probing is an excellent term for it.
Day by day the powers that be are pushing the envelope slightly more and more to see how much we will allow them to scratch our belly’s.
Can you imagine a world a year ago whereby people would have actually felt gratitude for the government allowing restrictions on us buying a book from a shop, or being ‘thankful’ that we were allowed to see an older relative during the Christmas period?
I’m conscious that I’m moving the discussion away from the OP and making this more about politics (not my intention as all parties are as bad as each other when it comes to ‘ruling’)
so I’ll wind my neck in a little. ?
The golf decision does need fighting however. In the same way that other decisions are being challenged.
howbow88
Hacker
Every public course I know of was open for people to walk, and several private clubs were too.
robinthehood
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/54781128
snip
Talks between the sports, Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) officials and experts are ongoing, with the the All-Party Parliamentary Group for Golf set to meet on Monday afternoon.
GB72
Money List Winner
Thing is, you can use statistics to argue anything. There have been no cases of covid in my village and no instances associated with my village pub. On that basis, using the pub and meeting with other people in the village is as safe as playing golf so perhaps there should be a petition to exempt my village from the lockdown.
That is just me playing devils advocate a bit as of course I am not saying that my village or any other should be exempt.
Whilst I do not see any issue in the act of playing golf, it is the surrounding factors that concern me more. We all know how to act safely and many do but during the last lockdown it did not take long for some to be arranging to meet in roll up groups in the car park and people staying on site to eat food sold as takeaway whilst sitting in the car park having a beer from a case of beer kept in the boot of the car. Sadly golf is no exception to all other areas in that there are people who will push the limits and cross the acceptable boundaries and that is why it should stay banned with everything else.
That is just me playing devils advocate a bit as of course I am not saying that my village or any other should be exempt.
Whilst I do not see any issue in the act of playing golf, it is the surrounding factors that concern me more. We all know how to act safely and many do but during the last lockdown it did not take long for some to be arranging to meet in roll up groups in the car park and people staying on site to eat food sold as takeaway whilst sitting in the car park having a beer from a case of beer kept in the boot of the car. Sadly golf is no exception to all other areas in that there are people who will push the limits and cross the acceptable boundaries and that is why it should stay banned with everything else.
TogoPresley
Newbie
This is exactly "it" - there are too many idiots out there who see these things as binary issues. The idea that a golf course could be open whilst a pub is closed blows their tiny minds. Plus if golf was allowed to continue, it would be used against the government for allowing recreation for their rich Toff friends.
ger147
Tour Winner
Latest is the government is not backing down on golf courses closing...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/54781128
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/54781128
Big Stevo
New member
They've already tried a nuanced approach, the Tier system. That didn't work.
Allowing some sports to remain open, whilst others must closed, is another nuanced approach, by the time everyone has had there say and made their case for staying open, what you're left with isn't a lockdown anymore.
The 250,000 golfers on that petition are basically saying, everyone else should lockdown, apart from me.
Whilst i'm not in favour of lockdown, if you're going to do it, then do it fully.
Allowing some sports to remain open, whilst others must closed, is another nuanced approach, by the time everyone has had there say and made their case for staying open, what you're left with isn't a lockdown anymore.
The 250,000 golfers on that petition are basically saying, everyone else should lockdown, apart from me.
Whilst i'm not in favour of lockdown, if you're going to do it, then do it fully.
Just been told by our club office that there is no change in the guidelines. Apparently 250,000 signatures on that petition actually made matters worse.
GB72
Money List Winner
I can sort of understand that. Whilst a simple approach from the golfing authorities may be one thing, the petition immediately put numbers on to it. At least a quarter of a million people looking to travel, meet up, play golf etc. Whilst it shows the level of support the exception had, it also put a number on the amount of people who may be travelling and meeting at the time of a strict lock down and that makes it easier to reject. I think that the right decision has been made.
robinthehood
Hacker
If golf were the only sport lobbying to stay open then maybe you could blame the survey, but others have been too. I doubt its made a difference either way
drdel
Tour Rookie
We might be thankful we don't reside in France, Italy, Spain or the USA....
I’m more than happy to abide by it if that’s the definitive decision. To be honest, 2-balls, if that was the alternative to closing, would have been very difficult to manage with the shorter days.
Oh well. I’ll try and go out on a high on Wednesday.
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Absolutely the right decision, if we are going to lockdown it should apply to EVERYBODY.
edit: Just had an email from Majestic Wine, they are staying open as an 'essential' retailer
doublebogey7
Head Pro
Just confirmed in parliament by the PM
robinthehood
Hacker
Everybody but with loads of exceptions
(Schools, Builders, DIY stores, Garden Centres, Takeaways, Uni etc etc etc etc etc etc etc)
