Michael jackson

They had the director on GMB this morning discussing the 2-part documentary and how it is based around these two prime witnesses, who are seeking justice through the courts and the considerable damages that come with it. The director says he is 100% convinced MJ was a paedophile, yet only making that assertion based on these witnesses, assuming that their version is the absolute truth. He said originally these two fully supported MJ in the original trial as MJ was seen to be their father figure and friend, and that they are now 'coming out' because they have broken their so-called 'love bond' with MJ and so are emotionally free to speak the truth. Conversely, you have the child star Macaulay Culkin saying he was in the thick of it and nothing sinister ever happened to him. Note that he wasn't interviewed for the documentary, presumably because he didn't fit the director's narrative or belief. Also Jordan Chandler not interviewed either, despite the director's contact with him, no doubt bound by the terms of his $22m settlement. Such a lot of money at stake for the witnesses to gain and for the Jackson estate to lose, it's no wonder this is a very murky area.
 
I have now watched it all. Anybody doubting their stories should watch the whole thing first. 'Benefit of the doubt' for the accused doesn't even bear thinking about for me, regardless of sworn testimonies etc, all of which is covered in the 2nd episode as Piece makes mention of, above. It'll be interesting to see if others views change upon watching. And perhaps stating the obvious but if you have younger kids around, don't have it on whilst they're about, snippets of some conversations are quite graphic.
 
I've only watched the first episode of "leaving neverland", and have to say I'm dubious of the 2 accusers.
Firstly, what I found strange was despite the so called abuse how comes their natures didn't change. I'm no psychologist, but after enduring something as horrendous as that their behaviour would've changed, i.e.they would've been withdrawn/quieter, troubled, destructive etc.
Secondly, the guy that had the jewellery bought for him, why has he kept these items. As they apparently caused him distress to touch them why keep them.
Although the alleged grooming actions by MJ were of similar nature, the sexual activity on the 7 year old happened straight away.
I'm no Michael Jackson fan, but at this stage I'm not convinced. However I'll see how I feel after the second episode
 
I found it quit disturbing and never understood why a grown man wanted to hang around with kids....Not right which ever side you believe😕
 
patricks148 said:
I found it quit disturbing and never understood why a grown man wanted to hang around with kids....Not right which ever side you believe😕
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I think this is the problem for him. Haven't watched this new documentary (which from the reviews seems to be a bit one-sided anyway), but I've seen and read psychological profiles of Jackson before. A lot of them suggested that since he was kind of robbed of a proper childhood, being a child star and being world famous before his teens, this may have caused him to retain a kind of child-like state of mind and not really grow up. Hence him wanting to give other children he encountered a good childhood, and maintain a (non-sexual) relationship with them that to his mind was perfectly innocent, but to the outsider obviously looked very suspect.

It's sad but it's always after someone has died that multiple sources come out of the woodwork accusing them of all sorts, and you never know if you have real victims or chancers trying to make a buck. Since he's not around to defend or incriminate himself, we'll probably never know the real truth.
 
Orikoru said:
It's sad but it's always after someone has died that multiple sources come out of the woodwork accusing them of all sorts, and you never know if you have real victims or chancers trying to make a buck. Since he's not around to defend or incriminate himself, we'll probably never know the real truth.
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But do we think this only happens in the present, and the dead can't be guilty?
Whether MJ is guilty or not (and Ive only seen the first part so far) it strikes me that those with money, fame and clout tend to get away with a lot more.....whatever it is.
 
Bunkermagnet said:
But do we think this only happens in the present, and the dead can't be guilty?
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No? I'm saying why is it so often after they've died, when they can't defend themselves, that the accusers come out? Why not accuse them when alive so they can pay the price if found guilty?
Whether MJ is guilty or not (and Ive only seen the first part so far) it strikes me that those with money, fame and clout tend to get away with a lot more.....whatever it is.
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Yes, often the case. They can afford the best lawyers and will have army of fans to stick up for them. But also being in the public eye sometimes attracts more of the false accusers trying to make a buck. So it is a double-edge sword.
 
Orikoru said:
No? I'm saying why is it so often after they've died, when they can't defend themselves, that the accusers come out? Why not accuse them when alive so they can pay the price if found guilty?
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Perhaps some do, but the accused have the wealth, fame and clout to buy/manipulate the silence.
The problem as I see it, is that there will be those who may seek a quick buck, but likewise there will be those who refuse to believe their idol could do such things, whether innocent or not. In the middle are those genuine cases that get drowned out by the noise around them.
 
It was never right, the kids at his house etc, and neither was all those parent's allowing him unfettered access to their kids.

I just hope they don't stop playing his music
 
Orikoru said:
No? I'm saying why is it so often after they've died, when they can't defend themselves, that the accusers come out? Why not accuse them when alive so they can pay the price if found guilty?

Yes, often the case. They can afford the best lawyers and will have army of fans to stick up for them. But also being in the public eye sometimes attracts more of the false accusers trying to make a buck. So it is a double-edge sword.
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i thought he was accused when he was alive ??

Take the JS case all hushed up while he was alive
 
Surely after this that Wade lad has put himself legally in a dodgy position. He back MJ at the 2005 trial and gave evidence to the affect that abuse did not happen, however he's now on record saying that it did happen and that he lied. Looks like he could be done for perjury.
 
Jensen said:
Surely after this that Wade lad has put himself legally in a dodgy position. He back MJ at the 2005 trial and gave evidence to the affect that abuse did not happen, however he's now on record saying that it did happen and that he lied. Looks like he could be done for perjury.
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A $1.5 billion dollar lawsuit does tend to change people's memories. :ROFLMAO:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joevog...new-michael-jackson-documentary/#3c44f0fa640f

It's only taken them 10 years to make sure their stories kinda match up this time. Joke! (n)
 
I actually find it strange that people think it’s possible he was innocent. There’s at least 4 people now who have made the claims and I don’t buy the argument he was just strange and a kid himself... he had many young kids sleeping in his bed when he was a grown man.... give it a few years I fully expect more to come out (and not for money)
 
The documentary was eye opening. Pretty graphic. I’m not sure if it was too sensationalist......but the fact that at least 2 sources have come out makes me thinks that he’s a nonce

Also his music is ***
 

Pretty interesting two part rebuttal to the documentary. Still torn personally after watching the first episode of Leaving Neverland, but definitely something shady about the two accusers.
 
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