Membership cost increase

[Deleted member 1147]

A few pages ago, peeps were talking about petty rules at top 100 courses.

My thoughts.
I'm comfortable playing at middle quality courses, I don't mind playing the odd away day at a top 100 course, although it has to be said that I have been very disappointed on several occasions playing a supposed quality course which was anything but, especially when considering the wallet emptying cost.

I find middle quality courses (as my own is) perfect for my golfing mindset.
Available at a reasonable cost, not full of stuck up toff's & enjoyable to play.

Where's that out of interest?

 

[r0wly86]

and they are 10 years an adult. If they cannot afford specific golf membership they should look for cheaper options. If they cannot afford their football season ticket do you think the "older" members or the club should subsidise them? What about their rent or mortgage or groceries, electricity bills - these are life essentials, golf is not, nor football, holidays etc etc

you have to show what I was replying to, that people in their late 20s shouldn't have discounted rates like early 20s because they have been working for a while and would be on good momey. I was just saying that, that mau have been the case in previous years but currently those in their late 20s are not on good money generally speaking especially taking into account in the increased cost of living.

if people cannot afford it then obviously they won't join, but if clubs feel they need more people that aged to be members then they have to take into account that they actually do not have that much disposable income and have reduced memberships

 

[PJ87]

you have to show what I was replying to, that people in their late 20s shouldn't have discounted rates like early 20s because they have been working for a while and would be on good momey. I was just saying that, that mau have been the case in previous years but currently those in their late 20s are not on good money generally speaking especially taking into account in the increased cost of living.

if people cannot afford it then obviously they won't join, but if clubs feel they need more people that aged to be members then they have to take into account that they actually do not have that much disposable income and have reduced memberships

There is a reason they offer discounted rates to those age groups. It's not just price keeping them out .. people just aren't as interested. They are still playing other sports and naturally move to golf when their bodies take longer to recover etc

So get some in early and they become your members of the future

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Sure it's a small number, thankfully, but I believe the 'no trainers' rules were because they were seen as working class footwear decades ago and that's the sort of person clubs wanted to keep out. That's why I'd still like to see that rule (and others) stamped out. Particularly daft nowadays when, as mentioned, most summer shoes are effectively trainers anyway so it makes zero sense.

I'm probably looking at it the wrong way though. Your last sentence is right, and if we extrapolate that further - a no trainers rule is a perfect indicator that the members at that particular club are best avoided!

The rules for trainers along with jeans were when they were first introduced about the class of a person - that’s going back 50 plus years

Some clubs would like to keep that in place - their choice , it would be the same any other establishments over the country where some have dress standards they want to keep for their reasons

The clubs that have them prob won’t get rid of the rule for a while but those clubs are also very hard to become a member and also expensive to play at - so as I said the people going there will be fully aware of what happens there. There are though at those clubs starting to bring in “golf bars” - RSG for example have their terrace area and snack bar where you can sit and have some food and drink in your golf clothes.

but for 99% of us on here we play at a club that’s suits our needs , we visit clubs that were are comfortable being at

A lot of times people are just complaining about issues that don’t affect them on their day to day golf life

 

[SteveW86]

Are you sure he's the "right sort" of person for yachting?
Seems a bit of a pleb to me ?

You should see the discussions on the dress codes in Yacht Clubs on the yachtie forums I go on.

If you arent wearing deck shoes, red chinos, a blazer and a hat with an anchor on you would be shot or made to walk the plank.

 

[GB72]

The rules for trainers along with jeans were when they were first introduced about the class of a person - that’s going back 50 plus years

Some clubs would like to keep that in place - their choice , it would be the same any other establishments over the country where some have dress standards they want to keep for their reasons

The clubs that have them prob won’t get rid of the rule for a while but those clubs are also very hard to become a member and also expensive to play at - so as I said the people going there will be fully aware of what happens there. There are though at those clubs starting to bring in “golf bars” - RSG for example have their terrace area and snack bar where you can sit and have some food and drink in your golf clothes.

but for 99% of us on here we play at a club that’s suits our needs , we visit clubs that were are comfortable being at

A lot of times people are just complaining about issues that don’t affect them on their day to day golf life

So a rule intruduced to maintain class segregation remains in place today and that is not something worth bringing up. Nothing to see here, move along. Oh, but do not worry, some places have introduced a separate area for the plebs to have drink so that is all OK.

 

[evemccc]

Maybe it's the circles I roll in but very rarely do I hear time and money as a barrier to take up the sport.
What I do hear on regular occasions is "I wouldn't be seen dead on a golf course"
"I would end up banging someone out"

I Also got people to the range and semi interested until I start to teach them about typical etiquette and clubs rules. They just say "stuff that".

‘Not everything has to be for everyone’

To be truthful I think it is good how that has worked out then, your friends don’t want to play golf at a members club because if they did they’d probably ‘spark someone out’, and I am positive that all of the golf clubs I have been to wouldn’t want someone with a ready propensity for violence frequenting their establishment

That therefore is a self-selecting ‘win-win’ for all ?

 

[Deleted member 1147]

You should see the discussions on the dress codes in Yacht Clubs on the yachtie forums I go on.

If you arent wearing deck shoes, red chinos, a blazer and a hat with an anchor on you would be shot or made to walk the plank.

Isn't a sweater over the shoulders, with the arms tied together in front, acceptable?
Bloody snobs

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So a rule intruduced to maintain class segregation remains in place today and that is not something worth bringing up. Nothing to see here, move along. Oh, but do not worry, some places have introduced a separate area for the plebs to have drink so that is all OK.

Do you bother to read anything posted ?

Where has someone said that it’s not worth bringing up ?

Can you even read where it’s said many and prob most clubs have started to remove those sort of rules ?

It’s not a “separate” area for plebs !!! It’s somewhere for people to go to if they don’t want to change from their golf kit - it’s the same as spike bar some clubs where people can wear their golf shoes

Have you thought that maybe the issue is your preconceived ideas about golf clubs and the issue is also with yourself ?

 

[GB72]

Do you bother to read anything posted ?

Where has someone said that it’s not worth bringing up ?

Can you even read where it’s said many and prob most clubs have started to remove those sort of rules ?

It’s not a “separate” area for plebs !!! It’s somewhere for people to go to if they don’t want to change from their golf kit - it’s the same as spike bar some clubs where people can wear their golf shoes

Have you thought that maybe the issue is your preconceived ideas about golf clubs and the issue is also with yourself ?

Nope, no issues with me and golf clubs so need to go on the personal attack.

You mention the reason for the rule and then say some clubs wish to keep in place, their choice, which is a tacit acceptance. You and others have also defended such dress codes on many threads, again, acceptance. These clubs will be expensive and hard to become a member of so will not effect people. Agian, not decrying the rule, just stating that it is not worth complaining about because most people cannot afford it anyway.

A spike bar is to stop is to stop muddy golf shoes trashing the carpet, practical. A bar where those who wish to wear trainers can drink is segregation.

So yes, I read posts in full before I comment.

 

[r0wly86]

people talking about Yacht clubs made me look up my local one to see their rules

Twickenham Yacht Club -

can hire a boat if you don't own
no dress code
membership is £110pa

seems a lot less stuffy than some of the golf clubs we're talking about

 

[KenL]

people talking about Yacht clubs made me look up my local one to see their rules

Twickenham Yacht Club -

can hire a boat if you don't own
no dress code
membership is £110pa

seems a lot less stuffy than some of the golf clubs we're talking about

Can you change your deck shoes in the car park??

 

[IanM]

So a rule intruduced to maintain class segregation remains in place today and that is not something worth bringing up. Nothing to see here, move along. Oh, but do not worry, some places have introduced a separate area for the plebs to have drink so that is all OK.

It's called a choice. Formal dinning and bar. Informal spike bar and dinning. Patio, walk off 18th and have a beer and food. Take your pick.

You can even get some fish with that chip!

people talking about Yacht clubs made me look up my local one to see their rules

Twickenham Yacht Club -

can hire a boat if you don't own
no dress code
membership is £110pa

seems a lot less stuffy than some of the golf clubs we're talking about

Yeah. But there's also a load of golf courses where you can turn up in whatever you like and play for £20

 

[PNWokingham]

Agreed. But then, a lot of these petty rules are 50+ years outdated and golf clubs are loath to change them for fear of losing 'traditions'.

roll on the jeans and hoodies!

 

[Mandofred]

people talking about Yacht clubs made me look up my local one to see their rules

Twickenham Yacht Club -

can hire a boat if you don't own
no dress code
membership is £110pa

seems a lot less stuffy than some of the golf clubs we're talking about

I hope they at least check to see if you can sail.....I'd be a menace to navigation if they let me loose on the water. I guess a person might have a card stating they are qualified?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Part of the issue with public perception of golf and golfers is borne out of how the media use golf and golfers to exemplify particular mindsets, regardless of whether the comparison remains valid today as it might have 20yrs ago.

So for example in the context of housing and nimbyism, I would not be surprised to hear or read in the coming days comments along the lines of …‘to satisfy the demands of middle class, conservative (small apolitical ‘c‘) golf club bores/types’…using golf and golf clubs as a handy metaphor or trope for a specific attitude and mindset of a sector of the population.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Once upon a time, that time might still be now, there were very popular nightclubs that wouldn’t let you through the door unless you complied with their dress code…which back in the 80s could see you dressed like Boy George…but my goodness the clubs were very popular and rammed every night. And all we were doing was boozing and bopping, or just hanging around posing or looking for a lumber…and you didn’t need to dress in any particular way to do that.

 

[Orikoru]

roll on the jeans and hoodies!

People already wear hoodies on the golf course, including many professionals - just in case the last decade has passed you by.

 

[GB72]

Part of the issue with public perception of golf and golfers is borne out of how the media use golf and golfers to exemplify particular mindsets, regardless of whether the comparison remains valid today as it might have 20yrs ago.

So for example in the context of housing and nimbyism, I would not be surprised to hear or read in the coming days comments along the lines of …‘to satisfy the demands of middle class, conservative (small apolitical ‘c‘) golf club bores/types’…using golf and golf clubs as a handy metaphor or trope for a specific attitude and mindset of a sector of the population.

This is a very valid point as, whilst the reality of golf clubs may have changed, the wider perception has not and that is a problem. That is part of the reason that clubs see little in the way of wider support when there are proposals to turn courses into housing or solar farms. Golf clubs have been, in some instances, far too insular from the communities that they are in (appreciate not so much in Scotland) and that can come back to bite them.

 

[GB72]

Once upon a time, that time might still be now, there were very popular nightclubs that wouldn’t let you through the door unless you complied with their dress code…which back in the 80s could see you dressed like Boy George…but my goodness the clubs were very popular and rammed every night. And all we were doing was boozing and bopping, or just hanging around posing or looking for a lumber…and you didn’t need to dress in any particular way to do that.

AH but that was dressing up smart to try and impress a prospective partner. Not sure that there are many at the golf clubs that I have been to that I want to dress up smart for and catch their eye