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Are you sure he's the "right sort" of person for yachting?
Seems a bit of a pleb to me ?
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Seems a bit of a pleb to me ?
GB72
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Nope, just someone old enough to remember them
D-S
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No, there are no doubt older members who hrrrumph about falling standards but this is typical of older generations in every walk of life, see all discussions of snowflakes etc. or the Beatles long hair.
The club, like all in the area, modernises over time but those with prejudice single out problems encountered either many years ago or in totally different parts of the country. I look back and laugh at some of the petty, discriminatory rules that were around when my wife and I started playing in the early 90s, bizarre dress codes (e.g. long socks or jacket and tie at all times in the main areas of the clubhouse), men only bars and Ladies Lounges. However we haven’t encountered anything like this for many years and if we do/did we would elect not to play there or conform but that is simply not an issue 99.9% of the time.
How you change this perception I really don’t know.
Pants
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One has to assume that most posters on this Forum actually play golf and equally enjoy it to some extent. All some can do though is continually moan and post negative comments about the game. Any non-golfer coming on here to learn about the game before deciding whether or not to take it up, will be immediately turned off after reading some of this rubbish. Spread positivity about the game you enjoy, not negativity.
Every sport has it's own rules and regulations, dress codes etc.
Just one example. A tennis club near me has 4 different court surfaces - astroturf, clay, grass and indoors. Guess what. They insist on different shoes for each. Remove clay court shoes before going into clubhouse. Indoor court shoes must only be worn indoors, not worn from carpark to court. Squash courts have the same rule.
Every sport has it's own rules and regulations, dress codes etc.
Just one example. A tennis club near me has 4 different court surfaces - astroturf, clay, grass and indoors. Guess what. They insist on different shoes for each. Remove clay court shoes before going into clubhouse. Indoor court shoes must only be worn indoors, not worn from carpark to court. Squash courts have the same rule.
GB72
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Actually it was the petty nature of golf clubs that finally pushed me away from hving a membership despite haivng tolerated it for years before. I feel that I am within my rights to spread and comment on what has played a part in dirivng me away from golf and what I feel should change. In fact the friends i have that are happiest with their gofling life are those that have the least possible contact with the club and just use the course.
As for the shoe analogy, there are practical reasons for those. Clay stains and damages floors, sones caught in shoes can damage indoor court floors etc. Practical reasons. Not sure how my trainers are going to damange a bar carpet in a way that my work shoes would not.
Bdill93
Undisputed King of FOMO
I mean that kind of makes sense though. I have no tennis knowledge but I assume shoes for clay courts will be different to those for grass - or at least the grip/traction? Its about damaging the courts.
No one is moaning about having to change shoes- lets be honest no one wants their mud-clad golf shoes on post round, they're moaning about being told where to change them and what shoes they're actually allowed to wear. A pair of converse wont do any more damage than a pair of oxfords.
r0wly86
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So because we play and enjoy the game we should not point out things that are bad or could be improved, strange way of thinking.
Those shoes rules actually make sense though, playing on clay your shoes will be covered in clay, so wearing them into the clubhouse would track a load of clay onto the carpets. Indoor surfaces can be damaged, and very expensive to fix, they also mark very easily so having indoor shoes just for indoors makes sense.
Likewise when golf shoes were spiked they would rip up carpets so makes sense that you could not wear them indoors.
Saying you cannot wear smart trainers in the clubhouse to get a drink is not the same thing
hovis
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Me too. I lasted a grand total of 2 years at a members club before I retreated back to the belfry with my tail between my legs. I just couldn't take it. The final straw was when the vice captain walked across 2 fairways to tell me the side of my shirt wasn't tucked in. It was during the summer when it was 40c
Oxfords, not brogues?
GB72
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I lasted over a decade but kept moving clubs hoping that the attitude and atmosphere would be different but it never was. May look to doing a points membership at the local resort course next year then I can play with a couple of mates then go to the pub.
Bdill93
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Bdill93
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Oh just come join Raven mate, barrel of laughs to be had - just a 30 minute commute from the Belfry
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I am exactly the same with my golf club, I use it as a way to play golf and nothing more. In fairness there are no rules that get to me other than wearing a hat in the clubhouse. When I seldom go in there I do remove it as thems the rules but it never makes sense.
I can (and do) change shoes in the car park though they ask that we don’t bang shoes together on the car park and do so over a grass verge which makes total sense to me.
I can wear my trainers or smart shoes in the bar
I can have my shirt untucked
I don’t even have to wear golf attire any more, just no football/sports team shirts which makes sense in so far as some people can’t see past a team shirt and may lead to undesirable behaviour (though 99% of people aren’t that way inclined).
I just hate the stuffy attitude of the old guard in and around the club so just keep myself to myself. Let them get on with being them while I get on with being me
Orikoru
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Exactly - as I always say, a rule has to be logical. The equivalent would be a club saying they don't want you wearing muddy winter golf shoes on their carpets, which is completely reasonable. Banning your nice clean trainers that have been sat in the car is not.
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GB72
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Oxfords, not brogues?
I am rather partial to a bit of Broguing and so clearly not Kingsman material
Bdill93
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Just to be clear that many if not most of the golf clubs around the country allow trainers within their clubhouse and many changed over the last 2/3 years and mainly due the membership wanting to change
Yes there will always be some clubs that don’t allow trainers and have stricter dress codes but 99% of golfers won’t go to those clubs anyway and the people that do go to them will be fully aware of the dress code
It’s always worth remembering that the rules of a golf club (members) are set by the members of those clubs because that’s what they want
Captain_Black.
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A few pages ago, peeps were talking about petty rules at top 100 courses.
My thoughts.
I'm comfortable playing at middle quality courses, I don't mind playing the odd away day at a top 100 course, although it has to be said that I have been very disappointed on several occasions playing a supposed quality course which was anything but, especially when considering the wallet emptying cost.
I find middle quality courses (as my own is) perfect for my golfing mindset.
Available at a reasonable cost, not full of stuck up toff's & enjoyable to play.
My thoughts.
I'm comfortable playing at middle quality courses, I don't mind playing the odd away day at a top 100 course, although it has to be said that I have been very disappointed on several occasions playing a supposed quality course which was anything but, especially when considering the wallet emptying cost.
I find middle quality courses (as my own is) perfect for my golfing mindset.
Available at a reasonable cost, not full of stuck up toff's & enjoyable to play.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Sure it's a small number, thankfully, but I believe the 'no trainers' rules were because they were seen as working class footwear decades ago and that's the sort of person clubs wanted to keep out. That's why I'd still like to see that rule (and others) stamped out. Particularly daft nowadays when, as mentioned, most summer shoes are effectively trainers anyway so it makes zero sense.
I'm probably looking at it the wrong way though. Your last sentence is right, and if we extrapolate that further - a no trainers rule is a perfect indicator that the members at that particular club are best avoided!
PNWokingham
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and they are 10 years an adult. If they cannot afford specific golf membership they should look for cheaper options. If they cannot afford their football season ticket do you think the "older" members or the club should subsidise them? What about their rent or mortgage or groceries, electricity bills - these are life essentials, golf is not, nor football, holidays etc etc
