Madeleine McCann

[In_The_Rough]

Been away for a while due to college work etc but catching up with what has been going down. As Bluewolf says a disturbing thread. Some of the comments on here are beyond belief. Yes the McCanns made mistakes but no child disappearance case should be left IMO and am fully behind the investigation. I hope she is found alive but I suspect otherwise but if they can get some closure then so be it. I think something has developed recently, there is definitely more to this case than meets the eye though and somebody somewhere knows what has happened to Maddie

 

[bladeplayer]

Havent read all the threads, I get the gist from some and I'm quite ashamed at some of the replies.....


Irrespective of whoever is to blame there is a lonely terrified wee girl out there in the clutches of evil, we should do everything within our power to find her and punish those responsible, regardless of cost. I pray to God she is found safe and well.

This is quite easily one of the most disturbing threads I've been unfortunate to read on this, or any other forum. Compassion and understanding appears to be a 4 letter word. ...

Thanks guys i thought it was just me

 

[ADB]

I simply cannot fathom the attitudes of some on here who have puffed out their chests taking the moral high ground. Prison for the parents.......bread and water for them as well no doubt...and how about a few lashes with the cat o nine tails while we are at it. I think the fact they are doctors and are intelligent has been manna from heaven for the bitter and jealous who didn't concentrate at school and have relished the fact they messed up, which they admitted from Day1.

I can't imagine what they have gone through and just hope that there can be closure on this terrible situation soon.

 

[Deleted member 1418]

As a parent myself to two young children, I cannot begin to understand the hurt and pain they have had to cope with since that poor girl was abducted. A truly awful and tragic event, like all of those that - unfortunately - have happened to young children over the years.

However like others on here, part of me can never completely feel 100% sympathy for them as they not only left a 3 year old alone, but 2 even younger children as well. I personally just cannot understand why anyone would do that. And unfortunately I would expect that 'why' is something the McCann's will be unable to justify for the rest of their lives.

 

[Hobbit]

This is quite easily one of the most disturbing threads I've been unfortunate to read on this, or any other forum. Compassion and understanding appears to be a 4 letter word. I'm sure they regret their complacency every minute of every day. I'm sure that they imagine daily what could have/be happening to that poor little girl. I can only imagine the horror of their daily lives. I sincerely hope that the little girl is found, one way or another. After all, that's the important thing...

Totally agree.

There is an element of blame, and no doubt they've crucified themselves and each other for years, and possibly years to come.

But to reiterate the question I posed earlier... when can we leave our children alone? Is it when they walk to school at 12, or play in the street at 6? There's many a child gone missing who has been a lot older. Do we 'police' them when they're 15? Bearing mind that a 14 year old can go missing, are we just as neglectful as the McCann's for letting our (older) children go off on their own?

I, too, wouldn't leave a 3yr old home alone. But that's more from what they might do to themselves. I would expect that the front door being locked would ensure enough of a deterent to the opportunists.

The taking of Maddy was obviously premeditated, and it could have been, probably, any number of children targeted in that resort. So were the McCann's naïve or neglectful?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

They ONLY have themselves to blame, they should be in prison in my honest opinion. We are not talking about white trash chavs on benefits here that know no better, they were highly educated doctors who know that leaving a 3 year old by itself in a strange place is WRONG. Everything that poor child has been subjected to is totally and without defense down to their stupidity. I cannot stand to see their winging faces on the TV with their "please help us find our beloved baby" act. The child didn't ask for or deserve what has happened to her....they most certainly do.

Complete clap-trap - in prison for what?

 

[richart]

This is quite easily one of the most disturbing threads I've been unfortunate to read on this, or any other forum. Compassion and understanding appears to be a 4 letter word. I'm sure they regret their complacency every minute of every day. I'm sure that they imagine daily what could have/be happening to that poor little girl. I can only imagine the horror of their daily lives. I sincerely hope that the little girl is found, one way or another. After all, that's the important thing...

Well said that man.

 

[sawtooth]

Complete clap-trap - in prison for what?

For not upholding their duty of care?

 

[3offTheTee]

Think the question needs to be asked as to whether they acted as a reasonable parent would?

Also someone mentioned earlier that they had a block booking all week at the same restaurant, possibly at the same time. Someone could easily have seen the booking and watched their actions.

Think they have been fortunate to ensure there is so much interest for so long for such a tragic case.

Unfortunately hindsight is such a wonderful thing and it must be on their conscience forever.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

For not upholding their duty of care?

You get jail for sitting 50yds from your children these days do you?

 

[Fish]

You get jail for sitting 50yds from your children these days do you?

They obviously couldn't see them could they? or it wouldn't have happened, your hanging on to this point for what reason?

They left a 3yr old not once but several times in the week and that CHILD was the oldest in the room, if they could see the room or children why check on them? Their was obviously other accesses to the room which they couldn't see for it to have happened!!

The references and guidances from the NSPCC I made earlier are clear at that age, DO NOT LEAVE, EVER.

 

[chrisd]

I'm worried just how this thread is going. We all have opinions but just sometimes they don't make good reading.

 

[User20205]

I'm worried just how this thread is going. We all have opinions but just sometimes they don't make good reading.

Yep. Sometimes it seems like some take delight in the misfortune of others. I'm sure the parents regret their actions every waking second.

The events that led up to the abduction seem secondary to getting some kind of closure. Are some seriously suggesting the mcanns don't deserve to find out what happened?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

They obviously couldn't see them could they? or it wouldn't have happened, your hanging on to this point for what reason?

They left a 3yr old not once but several times in the week and that CHILD was the oldest in the room, if they could see the room or children why check on them? Their was obviously other accesses to the room which they couldn't see for it to have happened!!

The references and guidances from the NSPCC I made earlier are clear at that age, DO NOT LEAVE, EVER.

Well I read that they had line of sight to the door they left open. And of course the NSPCC are going to recommend that. But they did not abandon their children and go for a night out on town - which I suspect is more what NSPCC are getting at. I sit at the bottom of my garden. I am sitting 50yds from my open back door. My children are asleep in bed - have I abandoned them? Am I being negligent? Jail for me then if anything were to have happened? Really? No - quite!

 

[DappaDonDave]

You get jail for sitting 50yds from your children these days do you?

So...that's a dodgy 50 yards there.

Well I read that they had line of sight to the door they left open. And of course the NSPCC are going to recommend that. But they did not abandon their children and go for a night out on town - which I suspect is more what NSPCC are getting at. I sit at the bottom of my garden. I am sitting 50yds from my open back door. My children are asleep in bed - have I abandoned them? Am I being negligent? Jail for me then if anything were to have happened? Really? No - quite!

That's slightly different, unless you have two walls and a swimming pool between you and your child. Even if they saw someone in the doorway waving their child screaming look at me, i'm taking your child. By the time they'd got to the room, that person would be nowhere to be seen. Lets say the person can get 100yards in the 3-5mins it would take to get to the room, that's 7853 square yards to search, if they manage to get another 1000 yards that's 950331 square yards.

SO on that basis, is it still reasonable to leave a child in a room out of sight or even with sight unless you are Asafa Powell and can cover the 100 yards in 9.0 secs? Baring in mind you are not asafa powell, it is not a straight dash and you're half pissed on sangria and wearing footwear not fit for running.

I'm not sure what point you're making. The discussion should about 'should the case be reopened', not what led up to the abduction. That's old news.

I was under the impression you thought a more sinister reason applied anyway,

Aliens or not...you shouldn't leave your kid alone. If you did that in a hotel room, or in an undisclosed location.

 

[User20205]

So...that's a dodgy 50 yards there.

I'm not sure what point you're making. The discussion should about 'should the case be reopened', not what led up to the abduction. That's old news.

I was under the impression you thought a more sinister reason applied anyway,

 

[bozza]

To the parents on here, if you left your children with a childminder and they got abducted/snatched while the childminder was at a friends over the road having a cup of tea and chat, should the childminder face action for not doing their job ?

 

[pokerjoke]

I'm worried just how this thread is going. We all have opinions but just sometimes they don't make good reading.

To be honest it was always going to be a contentious subject.
I think its quite interesting the difference in opinion of the punishment they should receive.
Im sure if they had nothing sinister to do with her disapearence,the punishment and pain
of not having her around every day is bad enough.
To be honest people are having there opinion on something where they havnt got all the facts.
In fact new things about that night are still coming out,and im sure all the real facts wont be found
out at all.
Myself I am in the camp of they should never have left them alone,they are responsible for Madelines disapearence.
Every time I see Kates face on tv[obviously still hurting] I think you fool.
Hopefully tonights episode will give us more.
But imo nothings going to be new apart from this photofit,however I think they are clutching
at straws.
Hope im wrong and Madeline is alive,however it doesn't look good.

 

[Fish]

Well I read that they had line of sight to the door they left open.

Obviously not or it wouldn't happened and they would have seen someone not only entering but exiting also, with Maddie!

For me they are accountable for leaving 3 children, not just Maddie, but 3 children with Maddie being the eldest at only 3yrs old whilst they not only once, but on several nights prior went to the restaurant with their group of friends and as such they would not be staring and concentrating at what you believe to be a clear sight of the door, but what was immediately happening around them in the restaurant.

Naive would be acceptable if it was a single occasion and a she was abducted more by chance, this is not the case, this is neglect as they (the McCanns) movements were obviously observed, patterns taken into account and then a thoughtful abduction took place, that could only happen because the parents put Maddie and the other children, which they left, in that situation and as such IMHO, they should be made accountable, Maddie is the victim, not the McCanns IMO.

Maddie if she is indeed alive and recovered will never be the same little girl again and that is wholly down to the parents not protecting her.

 

[Fish]

To be honest it was always going to be a contentious subject.
I think its quite interesting the difference in opinion of the punishment they should receive.
Im sure if they had nothing sinister to do with her disapearence,the punishment and pain
of not having her around every day is bad enough.
To be honest people are having there opinion on something where they havnt got all the facts.
In fact new things about that night are still coming out,and im sure all the real facts wont be found
out at all.
Myself I am in the camp of they should never have left them alone,they are responsible for Madelines disapearence.
Every time I see Kates face on tv[obviously still hurting] I think you fool.
Hopefully tonights episode will give us more.
But imo nothings going to be new apart from this photofit,however I think they are clutching
at straws.
Hope im wrong and Madeline is alive,however it doesn't look good.

I've read of new evidence and someone being "introduced" to her on an Island this summer, arrests and investigations are moving on that but because the statement is being treated as "credible" by the police, they don't want to say too much at this time.