Madeleine McCann

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What annoys me about this is how a significant number of people are heaping ALL the blame on the Parents.
Yes, they were wrong to leave the kids.
Yes, they should have known better.

The "crime" they have commited is relatively minor compared to the perpetrator of the real crime.

Yes, if they hadn't left her in the apartment she wouldn't have been there to be taken. Does that mean whoever took her is innocent..?

And anyone - anyone - who says they've never left their kids anywhere for any length of time or put there kids in any sort of danger - ever - try being honest with yourselves for a change.

People make mistakes every day, some bigger than others. I just hope that all those who never make mistakes don't, one day, make one that costs you as much as this.
 
Imurg said:
What annoys me about this is how a significant number of people are heaping ALL the blame on the Parents.
Yes, they were wrong to leave the kids.
Yes, they should have known better.

The "crime" they have commited is relatively minor compared to the perpetrator of the real crime.

Yes, if they hadn't left her in the apartment she wouldn't have been there to be taken. Does that mean whoever took her is innocent..?

And anyone - anyone - who says they've never left their kids anywhere for any length of time or put there kids in any sort of danger - ever - try being honest with yourselves for a change.

People make mistakes every day, some bigger than others. I just hope that all those who never make mistakes don't, one day, make one that costs you as much as this.
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There is a huge difference in someone making a singular mistake or mistakes over separate periods of time, this was not the case and was also not in a familiar environment. They systematically left them which allowed these perpetrators to take advantage of their neglect.
 
Imurg said:
What annoys me about this is how a significant number of people are heaping ALL the blame on the Parents.
Yes, they were wrong to leave the kids.
Yes, they should have known better.

The "crime" they have commited is relatively minor compared to the perpetrator of the real crime.

Yes, if they hadn't left her in the apartment she wouldn't have been there to be taken. Does that mean whoever took her is innocent..?

And anyone - anyone - who says they've never left their kids anywhere for any length of time or put there kids in any sort of danger - ever - try being honest with yourselves for a change.

People make mistakes every day, some bigger than others. I just hope that all those who never make mistakes don't, one day, make one that costs you as much as this.
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Leaving your 3 young children alone is not a mistake,its stupidity of the highest order.
 
Imurg said:
What annoys me about this is how a significant number of people are heaping ALL the blame on the Parents.
Yes, they were wrong to leave the kids.
Yes, they should have known better.

The "crime" they have commited is relatively minor compared to the perpetrator of the real crime.

Yes, if they hadn't left her in the apartment she wouldn't have been there to be taken. Does that mean whoever took her is innocent..?

And anyone - anyone - who says they've never left their kids anywhere for any length of time or put there kids in any sort of danger - ever - try being honest with yourselves for a change.

People make mistakes every day, some bigger than others. I just hope that all those who never make mistakes don't, one day, make one that costs you as much as this.
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If you left 100k on a bus and someone pinched it.
Whos fault would you say it was.
Just because someone stole it doesn't mean its right,but giving someone the opportunity
to take it is your fault.
 
Do you think they don't know they made probably the biggest mistake of their lives?
Do you think they don't beat themselves up about it every single day?

It was a mistake. At the time they thought it would be ok. It wasn't but it was still a mistake.
I sincerely hope that nobody I know makes a mistake that leads to similar consequences.
It really doesn't take much to step up from tiny error to catestrophic decision.
 
Imurg said:
Do you think they don't know they made probably the biggest mistake of their lives?
Do you think they don't beat themselves up about it every single day?

It was a mistake. At the time they thought it would be ok. It wasn't but it was still a mistake.
I sincerely hope that nobody I know makes a mistake that leads to similar consequences.
It really doesn't take much to step up from tiny error to catestrophic decision.
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That is true,and I think in my first post I mentioned this.
 
I've never said this before but I do hope this topic is locked very soon, I personally find it quite distasteful
 
Imurg said:
Do you think they don't know they made probably the biggest mistake of their lives?
Do you think they don't beat themselves up about it every single day?

It was a mistake. At the time they thought it would be ok. It wasn't but it was still a mistake.
I sincerely hope that nobody I know makes a mistake that leads to similar consequences.
It really doesn't take much to step up from tiny error to catestrophic decision.
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So if I fell asleep in bed whilst smoking (pre-law changes) and my house caught fire and my children died as a consequence but I survived, would I be charged with anything?

If they were left in their room whilst I popped to the corner shop (50yds away for SILH) and found some of my medicine that I left out and they drank it and poisoned themselves and died, would I be looking at charges.

I'm sure the cries for retribution would be loud and clear in those circumstances and to be honest, I see no difference. Why should they (the McCanns) be self diagnosed that they are being punished enough when through their selfishness on not one but a run of nights, they left their children unprotected and vulnerable.
 
Imurg said:
Do you think they don't know they made probably the biggest mistake of their lives?
Do you think they don't beat themselves up about it every single day?

It was a mistake. At the time they thought it would be ok. It wasn't but it was still a mistake.
I sincerely hope that nobody I know makes a mistake that leads to similar consequences.
It really doesn't take much to step up from tiny error to catestrophic decision.
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It wasn't a mistake, it was plain crass stupidity, a distinct lack of any kind of common sense, idiocy of the highest order, but yes, there is no shadow of a doubt that they regret it and have done every day since, but that is the penance they have to pay.
 
chrisd said:
I've never said this before but I do hope this topic is locked very soon, I personally find it quite distasteful
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I think its being debated fine, I believe the parents are culpable and some don't, some are excusing their actions and giving reasons why and some are saying there is no reason to leave such young toddlers alone. It will be a sensitive subject as anything involving children will be but, why should the victim in this be the only victim, other than the pain the McCanns are feeling, I think they should be charged in some way for neglect as it wasn't an isolated occasion of leaving them.
 
chrisd said:
I've never said this before but I do hope this topic is locked very soon, I personally find it quite distasteful
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I don't agree... it's just a discussion. No one is quite at the 'fisty-cuffs' stage just yet. Too many threads get locked already when people are quite simply trying to debate stuff. Opinion is the whole point of the forum.
 
pokerjoke said:
If you left 100k on a bus and someone pinched it.
Whos fault would you say it was.
Just because someone stole it doesn't mean its right,but giving someone the opportunity
to take it is your fault.
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I dont think that is a comparison of any accuracy you can use to a situation like this.....but I get the point of it. I am in the camp that they made a huge error in judgement but clearly they will pay for for all time. We all make mistakes there is no way in my opinion that these people can pay for it any more they have already and suffered for it like you cant believe. Regardless if you see it as neglect, which I can see your point, it is a simple mistake that has become a catastrophe. If it is proven she was taken by by someone else then that is the real crime here and that alone must be solved. The parents have spent heir lives trying to find her and put things right (or so we are led to believe) and being a father myself of young kids I can only dare to imagine the pain they are going through... and for 6 years!:( I dont wish that on my worst enemy let alone misguided parents.

I will watch tonight's program and hope Im comfortable in my current opinion but we must keep an open mind with this new investigation and hope it is done properly. Is it time to support them not blame them perhaps, thats been done to death. Lets find her or at the very least close the file with a tangible truth filled conclusion?
 
Kellfire said:
There's nothing to offend anyone on this thread that wouldn't involve someone actively looking to be offended.
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Not offensive just distasteful. I'm not sure what the point of discussing the parents guilt or otherwise is 7 years after the event.

And to somehow accuse them of a more serious crime, as has been done in this thread, is pathetic.

The only important issue, is the new evidence, if any. Then you can all have your go at playing tin pot perry mason!
 
therod said:
Not offensive just distasteful. I'm not sure what the point of discussing the parents guilt or otherwise is 7 years after the event.

And to somehow accuse them of a more serious crime, as has been done in this thread, is pathetic.

The only important issue, is the new evidence, if any. Then you can all have your go at playing tin pot perry mason!
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Pretty much sums it up for me. I realise that I don't have to read the thread but how can I have an opinion if I don't?
 
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