Madeleine McCann

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Ethan said:
I agree that any new investigation must start at the beginning and take nothing as read.

However, it is also a principle of law that anyone is innocent until proven guilty, so people on an internet forum who know nothing other than what they have read on Wikipedia or in a redtop and who feel some kind of reverse snobbery because these are two doctors, indulging in innuendo and 'it looks funny to me' armchair detectiving is also wrong.
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No its not, its sharing an opinion of which some will agree and some will not, that is called debating and what a forum encourages, or should we all be only saying what others want to hear and wrap it up in cotton wool, what a sterile world that would be.

The bottom line is they left a 3yr old whilst they went out, not once, but many times during the week, the distance is immaterial IMO and as such leaving their children more than once increased the risk every night they did so, good parenting skills, I think not!
 
Fish said:
No its not, its sharing an opinion of which some will agree and some will not, that is called debating and what a forum encourages, or should we all be only saying what others want to hear and wrap it up in cotton wool, what a sterile world that would be.

The bottom line is they left a 3yr old whilst they went out, not once, but many times during the week, the distance is immaterial IMO and as such leaving their children more than once increased the risk every night they did so, good parenting skills, I think not!
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I havnt seen anyone condoning the fact they were at fault here and I'm damn sure they regret it but I'm not overly sure how you expect them to be punished more than they have been already? Obviously if its proven they are innocent of any further involvement in this case they will always have to live with the fact they made a bad decision leaving Maddie on her own. Buy Ethan's quote on distance is very relevant. Im sure you cant spend every minute of the day and night with you children within arms reach...Some people will have houses and annexes etc where they are indeed a long way from there children at night. Of course out drinking every night is a different argument entirely.
 
Geez I am a bad parent, my 11 month old son is asleep in his cot and I am in another room with the monitor on. The only consolation I have is he knows me and sees me every day and has time with me and not some stranger called a nanny. I love all the quality judgements being made on here, its so easy to critise others but have you looked at your parenting? Did you know the biggest regret of the terminally ill is that spent too much time working and not with their family? Next time you slip off to the golf course and leave your family behind just because you need your golf hit think about the comments you have made on here about the parenting skills of others... Yes you have just thrown stones in a glass house.


It is the easy option to blame others than to get down and find the solution ... So people move on. This is why british industry is generally rubbish this critism led society that is propagated by lazy journalism is the reason. It seems that no one can just say yep that's wrong, lets sort it out and find the answer...
 
This is a twee thing that is posted up on facebook everyday. I'm sure like me, that lots of these things applied to you in your childhood. Does that mean that my parents didn't care for me - did it buggery:- CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL BORN IN 1930's, 1940's, 50's, 60's, 70's and Early 80's !!! First, you survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they ...carried us. They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a tin, and didn't get tested for diabetes. Then after that trauma, your baby cots were covered with bright colored lead-based paints. You had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when you rode your bikes, you had no helmets, not to mention, the risks you took hitchhiking .. As children, you would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags.Riding in the back of a van - loose - was always great fun. You drank water from the garden hosepipe and NOT from a bottle. You shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this. You ate cakes, white bread and real butter and drank pop with sugar in it, but you weren't overweight because...... YOU WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!! You would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on. No one was able to reach you all day. And you were OK. You would spend hours building your go-carts out of scraps and then ride down the hill, only to find out you forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes a few times, you learned to solve the problem . You did not have Playstations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games at all, no 99 channels on cable, no video tape movies, no surround sound, no mobile phones, no text messaging, no personal computers, no Internet or Internet chat rooms..........YOU HAD FRIENDS and you went outside and found them! You fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no lawsuits from these accidents you played with worms(well most boys did) and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever. You made up games with sticks and tennis balls and although you were told it would happen, you did not poke out any eyes. You rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just yelled for them! Local teams had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!! The idea of a parent bailing you out if you broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law! This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever! The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas. You had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and you learned HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL! And YOU are one of them! CONGRATULATIONS! You might want to share this with others who have had the luck to grow up as kids, before the lawyers and the government regulated our lives for our own good. And while you are at it, forward it to your kids so they will know how brave their parents were. END. No matter the facts (not just innuendo), these people still deserve our sympathy. I'm sure they beat themselves up about it everyday. Let them without sin, cast the first stone.
 
harpo_72 said:
Geez I am a bad parent, my 11 month old son is asleep in his cot and I am in another room with the monitor on. The only consolation I have is he knows me and sees me every day and has time with me and not some stranger called a nanny. I love all the quality judgements being made on here, its so easy to critise others but have you looked at your parenting? Did you know the biggest regret of the terminally ill is that spent too much time working and not with their family? Next time you slip off to the golf course and leave your family behind just because you need your golf hit think about the comments you have made on here about the parenting skills of others... Yes you have just thrown stones in a glass house.


It is the easy option to blame others than to get down and find the solution ... So people move on. This is why british industry is generally rubbish this critism led society that is propagated by lazy journalism is the reason. It seems that no one can just say yep that's wrong, lets sort it out and find the answer...
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I don't leave my children home alone while I play golf. Not really the same now is it.
 
Liverbirdie said:
This is a twee thing that is posted up on facebook everyday. I'm sure like me, that lots of these things applied to you in your childhood. Does that mean that my parents didn't care for me - did it buggery:- CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL BORN IN 1930's, 1940's, 50's, 60's, 70's and Early 80's !!! First, you survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they ...carried us. They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a tin, and didn't get tested for diabetes. Then after that trauma, your baby cots were covered with bright colored lead-based paints. You had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when you rode your bikes, you had no helmets, not to mention, the risks you took hitchhiking .. As children, you would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags.Riding in the back of a van - loose - was always great fun. You drank water from the garden hosepipe and NOT from a bottle. You shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this. You ate cakes, white bread and real butter and drank pop with sugar in it, but you weren't overweight because...... YOU WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!! You would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on. No one was able to reach you all day. And you were OK. You would spend hours building your go-carts out of scraps and then ride down the hill, only to find out you forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes a few times, you learned to solve the problem . You did not have Playstations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games at all, no 99 channels on cable, no video tape movies, no surround sound, no mobile phones, no text messaging, no personal computers, no Internet or Internet chat rooms..........YOU HAD FRIENDS and you went outside and found them! You fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no lawsuits from these accidents you played with worms(well most boys did) and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever. You made up games with sticks and tennis balls and although you were told it would happen, you did not poke out any eyes. You rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just yelled for them! Local teams had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!! The idea of a parent bailing you out if you broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law! This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever! The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas. You had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and you learned HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL! And YOU are one of them! CONGRATULATIONS! You might want to share this with others who have had the luck to grow up as kids, before the lawyers and the government regulated our lives for our own good. And while you are at it, forward it to your kids so they will know how brave their parents were. END. No matter the facts (not just innuendo), these people still deserve our sympathy. I'm sure they beat themselves up about it everyday. Let them without sin, cast the first stone.
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My mother didnt drink or smoke while pregnant with any of her 4 children. I actively encourage my kids to get outside and play. As for the rest? your free to let your kids go int he car without seatbelts etc if you think that's OK.
 
harpo_72 said:
Geez I am a bad parent, my 11 month old son is asleep in his cot and I am in another room with the monitor on. The only consolation I have is he knows me and sees me every day and has time with me and not some stranger called a nanny. I love all the quality judgements being made on here, its so easy to critise others but have you looked at your parenting? Did you know the biggest regret of the terminally ill is that spent too much time working and not with their family? Next time you slip off to the golf course and leave your family behind just because you need your golf hit think about the comments you have made on here about the parenting skills of others... Yes you have just thrown stones in a glass house.


It is the easy option to blame others than to get down and find the solution ... So people move on. This is why british industry is generally rubbish this critism led society that is propagated by lazy journalism is the reason. It seems that no one can just say yep that's wrong, lets sort it out and find the answer...
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What a load of tripe!!
No ones claiming to be Mary Poppins. But they left their children alone. Maybe you don't think that's too bad but I certainly do.
 
Pin-seeker said:
What a load of tripe!!
No ones claiming to be Mary Poppins. But they left their children alone. Maybe you don't think that's too bad but I certainly do.
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why is it tripe to point out your all acting like your the best parents ? When frankly there is no rule book and stuff goes wrong ... Yet your mainly are not interested in finding the truth out here, your happy to jump to conclusions and seek to critise the parents.
All this thread has done is slag off the parents based on tabloid facts... Few have stepped up and said this isn't about one child this about all children and those that prey on them.
were you aware that there are some predators that will even take you out as a parent to get the child? So what can you do ?
You can support the police in finding these people out and bringing them to justice or to an environment where they can be controlled.

And to reply to paddy ... It's about spending time with your family not whether you dump them on somebody else to look after, crikey o Reilly you did the Tango that made them, going to work and bringing the money in, is gentleman a small part. Teaching them manners, appreciation of others, support and development are the major parts. Or you could just have them and ignore them and then critise another couple for being bad parents because they were taken advantage of....

By the way would you let Marry Poppins look after your kids....
 
harpo_72 said:
why is it tripe to point out your all acting like your the best parents ? When frankly there is no rule book and stuff goes wrong ... Yet your mainly are not interested in finding the truth out here, your happy to jump to conclusions and seek to critise the parents.
All this thread has done is slag off the parents based on tabloid facts... Few have stepped up and said this isn't about one child this about all children and those that prey on them.
were you aware that there are some predators that will even take you out as a parent to get the child? So what can you do ?
You can support the police in finding these people out and bringing them to justice or to an environment where they can be controlled.

And to reply to paddy ... It's about spending time with your family not whether you dump them on somebody else to look after, crikey o Reilly you did the Tango that made them, going to work and bringing the money in, is gentleman a small part. Teaching them manners, appreciation of others, support and development are the major parts. Or you could just have them and ignore them and then critise another couple for being bad parents because they were taken advantage of....

By the way would you let Marry Poppins look after your kids....
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For this to have happened, which it did, you first have to create the opportunity, they (the McCanns) did this by leaving a 3yr old nightly whilst they systematically had a meal and drinks with friends, as such this was not a one-off grab opportunity which due to a single lapse moment "things go wrong" which would have led to a trial of evidence, this was neglect and as such it was observed, well planned and executed or we'd be closer to a conclusion that what we are.

What is also worrying is, their is a substantial life changing reward on offer, this can tempt the most tightest of circles and usually someone breaks ranks, but nothing!
 
harpo_72 said:
why is it tripe to point out your all acting like your the best parents ? When frankly there is no rule book and stuff goes wrong ... Yet your mainly are not interested in finding the truth out here, your happy to jump to conclusions and seek to critise the parents.
All this thread has done is slag off the parents based on tabloid facts... Few have stepped up and said this isn't about one child this about all children and those that prey on them.
were you aware that there are some predators that will even take you out as a parent to get the child? So what can you do ?
You can support the police in finding these people out and bringing them to justice or to an environment where they can be controlled.

And to reply to paddy ... It's about spending time with your family not whether you dump them on somebody else to look after, crikey o Reilly you did the Tango that made them, going to work and bringing the money in, is gentleman a small part. Teaching them manners, appreciation of others, support and development are the major parts. Or you could just have them and ignore them and then critise another couple for being bad parents because they were taken advantage of....

By the way would you let Marry Poppins look after your kids....
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One fact I do know is they left the kids alone. I'm not claiming to be the perfect parent but I know for sure I'd never leave my child alone.
And yes I'd leave my child with Mary Poppins as I don't see a problem with children sweeping chimneys & so on:ears:
 
Fish said:
For this to have happened, which it did, you first have to create the opportunity, they (the McCanns) did this by leaving a 3yr old nightly whilst they systematically had a meal and drinks with friends, as such this was not a one-off grab opportunity which due to a single lapse moment "things go wrong" which would have led to a trial of evidence, this was neglect and as such it was observed, well planned and executed or we'd be closer to a conclusion that what we are.

What is also worrying is, their is a substantial life changing reward on offer, this can tempt the most tightest of circles and usually someone breaks ranks, but nothing!
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Exactly, these type of crimes are never random acts of a bogeyman who was passing by.
 
Just watching on the news about this man they now want to speak to and have released a e-fit but they won't say why this has become significant until more will be revealed in the programme tonight.

Why wait till tonight when the programme is aired to say why this person is so significant in the search, surely the sooner they can track this person down the better!
 
They ONLY have themselves to blame, they should be in prison in my honest opinion. We are not talking about white trash chavs on benefits here that know no better, they were highly educated doctors who know that leaving a 3 year old by itself in a strange place is WRONG. Everything that poor child has been subjected to is totally and without defense down to their stupidity. I cannot stand to see their winging faces on the TV with their "please help us find our beloved baby" act. The child didn't ask for or deserve what has happened to her....they most certainly do.
 
drawboy said:
They ONLY have themselves to blame, they should be in prison in my honest opinion. We are not talking about white trash chavs on benefits here that know no better, they were highly educated doctors who know that leaving a 3 year old by itself in a strange place is WRONG. Everything that poor child has been subjected to is totally and without defense down to their stupidity. I cannot stand to see their winging faces on the TV with their "please help us find our beloved baby" act. The child didn't ask for or deserve what has happened to her....they most certainly do.
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Absolutely spot on.
 
Whilst they're not the ones who committed a crime as such I do find it difficult to feel positive towards them as a couple. They don't seem to accept they were irresponsible at best in leaving young children unattended whilst they went out and enjoyed themselves. I've not seen all the interviews with them but haven't ever seen them accept any wrong doing and say "we messed up big time and have to live with that but please help us find our daughter" etc etc...

I do admire how they have kept this going but agree they are "fortunate" enough to be in a position to do so.
 
drawboy said:
They ONLY have themselves to blame, they should be in prison in my honest opinion. We are not talking about white trash chavs on benefits here that know no better, they were highly educated doctors who know that leaving a 3 year old by itself in a strange place is WRONG. Everything that poor child has been subjected to is totally and without defense down to their stupidity. I cannot stand to see their winging faces on the TV with their "please help us find our beloved baby" act. The child didn't ask for or deserve what has happened to her....they most certainly do.
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Crikey .. there is so much wrong with the way you put this across it probably hide's the good points you make ...
 
Havent read all the threads, I get the gist from some and I'm quite ashamed at some of the replies.....


Irrespective of whoever is to blame there is a lonely terrified wee girl out there in the clutches of evil, we should do everything within our power to find her and punish those responsible, regardless of cost. I pray to God she is found safe and well.
 
This is quite easily one of the most disturbing threads I've been unfortunate to read on this, or any other forum. Compassion and understanding appears to be a 4 letter word. I'm sure they regret their complacency every minute of every day. I'm sure that they imagine daily what could have/be happening to that poor little girl. I can only imagine the horror of their daily lives. I sincerely hope that the little girl is found, one way or another. After all, that's the important thing...
 
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