M40 Pub

Liverpoolphil said:
So moving the debate forward what are your feelings about the drinkers after a round of golf ?
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I have to say that this does not move the topic on one bit as this question is in no way at all related to whether or not it is wise to have a pub in motorway services. In the context of that question it is an irrelevant distraction to create yet another a irrelevant comparison.
 
Having read the first few posts before it started to go on a bit of a merry go round. I would say that i don't think there really shuold be pubs art services. The reason there is one, is for business. Pure and simple, they think they can make money from it and its not illegal so good luck to them. Re accidents, as you said an accident will occur from it one day, but that will be due to someones stupidity and they would be just as likely to drink and drive in any other situation.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I have to say that this does not move the topic on one bit as this question is in no way at all related to whether or not it is wise to have a pub in motorway services. In the context of that question it is an irrelevant distraction to create yet another a irrelevant comparison.
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As a former licencee I would say that it is not an irrelevant question. Both instances involve the decision of a car driver to drink alcohol knowing that they will be driving.
As I said earlier this is much more likely to happen in the relaxed surroundings of a golf/bowls club than on a pee/food stop on a motorway.
 
Not 100% sure how I feel about drinking at a services myself. If I am driving I limit myself to 1 pint over an evening and I wont usually drive straight away. But if you are at a services chances are you won't be stopping long, so I'm not sure myself if I want to have a pint and then drive straight away.

But I can see the logic of using a Wetherspoons at services as generally the food is a lot more reasonably priced than the normal stuff you get.
 
is it reasonablly priced? Thats the only reason id stop as there are 5 of us!
 
guest100718 said:
is it reasonablly priced? Thats the only reason id stop as there are 5 of us!
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Well the food on high street Wetherspoons outlets is decent value, and the beer always is. I am more than sure they will inflate it as it is in a service station, as as we know the cost of transporting produce to service stations down those hard to drive down roads called motorways is astronomical, so they need to add 40% onto all prices. But in comparison I suspect it will be a decent choice for food. And 8 pints.
 
It's no different to opening a pub on any road.

Another example of people potentially refusing to take responsibility for their own actions. "Oh I had a drink because the pub was there your honour. It's their fault for putting temptation in front of me".

They are probably the same people that complain we live in a "nanny state".
 
Doon frae Troon said:
As a former licencee I would say that it is not an irrelevant question. Both instances involve the decision of a car driver to drink alcohol knowing that they will be driving.
As I said earlier this is much more likely to happen in the relaxed surroundings of a golf/bowls club than on a pee/food stop on a motorway.
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Yes - I know what you say - but you are then pulling into the discussion an individual's attitude to drinking and driving in any circumstances. I agree that in that discussion such comparisons become relevant - but I think that this specific scenario should be considered in isolation and we agree or disagree about it on it's own merits. We cannot project whether a driver is more likely to drink and drive from a motorway service station than from a pub, club etc - but we can project upon the risk and impact.
 
Hacker Khan said:
Not 100% sure how I feel about drinking at a services myself. If I am driving I limit myself to 1 pint over an evening and I wont usually drive straight away. But if you are at a services chances are you won't be stopping long, so I'm not sure myself if I want to have a pint and then drive straight away.

But I can see the logic of using a Wetherspoons at services as generally the food is a lot more reasonably priced than the normal stuff you get.
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The food argument is a bit of a red herring - an aside - as to presenting drivers with a new opportunity to have an alcoholic refreshment at a m/way service station
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Yes - I know what you say - but you are then pulling into the discussion an individual's attitude to drinking and driving in any circumstances. I agree that in that discussion such comparisons become relevant - but I think that this specific scenario should be considered in isolation and we agree or disagree about it on it's own merits.
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I believe it's relevant because I believe the pub is being judged on moral reasons ( which isn't wrong )

So I'm trying to gauge the moral compass in regards other specific areas that could cause drink driving

You are worried about drink drivers from this pub - more accidents happen in urban areas so what about pubs in Urban areas

And what does your morals say about the risks of alcohol being served in the bar of a golf club ?

This is all about individual attitudes towards drink driving and increasing the risk of temptation of drink driving
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I believe it's relevant because I believe the pub is being judged on moral reasons ( which isn't wrong )

So I'm trying to gauge the moral compass in regards other specific areas that could cause drink driving

You are worried about drink drivers from this pub - more accidents happen in urban areas so what about pubs in Urban areas

And what does your morals say about the risks of alcohol being served in the bar of a golf club ?

This is all about individual attitudes towards drink driving and increasing the risk of temptation of drink driving
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I am making an assessment of what might happen given the pub is there (a risk assessment - just for @Fish). I am am not particularly interested in an individual's moral compass in other scenarios and whether an individual is more likely or not to have a drink at a motorway pub than a golf club.

I am actually more interested in the fact that this development presents an opportunity for drivers to have a drink that previously did not exist - and to be clear I mean specifically that pubs in service stations did not exist - and that some drivers will take a drink or two or three and then rejoin a motorway (not an A road or dual carriageway)
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I am am not particularly interested in an individual's moral compass in other scenarios and whether an individual is more likely or not to have a drink at a motorway pub than a golf club.

I am actually more interested in the fact that this development presents an opportunity for drivers to have a drink that previously did not exist - and to be clear I mean specifically that pubs in service stations did not exist - and that some drivers will take a drink or two or three and then rejoin a motorway (not an A road or dual carriageway)
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Professor Stephen Glaister, director of the RAC Foundation, said: "Most drivers are sensible, but you have to question a policy that encourages drivers to pull off to take a break and then offers them up a pint."

However, he pointed out that Home Office figures last year showed at least seven other service areas where alcohol was served. Some of these were apparently at hotels. :thup:

I'm just unsure why you won't tell us your opinion about other establishments that present the opportunity for drivers to have a drink before driving away - why the difference ?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I'm just unsure why you won't tell us your opinion about other establishments that present the opportunity for drivers to have a drink before driving away - why the difference ?
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Because my OP was about this new pub at M40 service station and the risk presented to other motorway drivers of a 'drunk' driver trying to rejoin a busy motorway with reactions and decisions affected. And questioning the public need and demand for such a facility.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Because my OP was about this new pub at M40 service station and the risk presented to other motorway drivers of a 'drunk' driver trying to rejoin a busy motorway with reactions and decisions affected. And questioning the public need and demand for such a facility.
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So other drink drivers are irrelevant ?

What about the drink drivers going onto a motorway from a pub just off a motorway junction ?

What about the other establishments that serve alcohol at motorway services ?

Even the RAC have said there are already establishments out there - weatherspoons have had no complaints about the opening of this weatherspoons which pets be honest is more about food than beer

If it was a Frankie and Benny's would you feel the same ?

Or an Ask or a Pizza Express or any restaurant ?
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
And questioning the public need and demand for such a facility.
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Why would you question the need?... I can only presume you've never attempted to feed a family on a long trip in a motorway services.

Weatherspoons generally serve reasonable food at a reasonable price as opposed to Whats usually on offer...Macdonalds, Burger King,a pre packed sandwich or something sat under a heat lamp, all at extortionate prices.

Id say Theres a need and I'd certainly use it. If it wasn't there and I wanted a meal I'd pull off the motorway and find a Pub/Restuarant that would also more than likely serve alcohol.

This facility/Restuarant ( Its not really a pub) doesn't only serve Alcohol, and I'd say Theres certainly a need for it.
 
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Qwerty said:
Why would you question the need?... I can only presume you've never attempted to feed a family on a long trip in a motorway services.

Weatherspoons generally serve reasonable food at a reasonable price as opposed to Whats usually on offer...Macdonalds, Burger King a pre packed sandwich or something sat under a heat lamp.

Id say Theres a need and I'd certainly use it. If it wasn't there and I wanted a meal I'd pull off the motorway and find a Pub/Restuarant that would more than likely serve alcohol.

This facility/Restuarant ( Its not really a pub!) doesn't only serve Alcohol, and I'd say Theres certainly a need for it.
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The need for a drink! You don't require a pub to provide cheaper food if that is the public need.
 
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