M40 Pub

Everything I read in your posts "risk" seems to always shine through, do you only cross the road on Zebra Crossings or do you act sensible and look for a clear space and cross when clear, do you stand still on escalators or risk walking down/up them whilst moving, do you drive at night when there may be the risk of drink drivers out their, in fact, do you ever go out for fear of taking that risk that something might happen to you!

How we evolved to where we are now astounds me sometimes when we have people who would suffocate us into submission and lot allow us the freedom to have things available to us because a very small, no, extreme minority may abuse it.

For gods sake man live your life, its not a dress rehearsal and stop worrying about what others may or may not do.......

Did you audition for Martin in Ever Decreasing Circles, if not, you'd have nailed it IMO :smirk:
 
Everything I read in your posts "risk" seems to always shine through, do you only cross the road on Zebra Crossings or do you act sensible and look for a clear space and cross when clear, do you stand still on escalators or risk walking down/up them whilst moving, do you drive at night when there may be the risk of drink drivers out their, in fact, do you ever go out for fear of taking that risk that something might happen to you!

How we evolved to where we are now astounds me sometimes when we have people who would suffocate us into submission and lot allow us the freedom to have things available to us because a very small, no, extreme minority may abuse it.

For gods sake man live your life, its not a dress rehearsal and stop worrying about what others may or may not do.......

Did you audition for Martin in Ever Decreasing Circles, if not, you'd have nailed it IMO :smirk:

Was this at me Fish? :)
 
I think more the other way, why would you? I can't think of enough justification in my mind to say yep, I would have alcohol there.

Well if pubs are allowed on normal roads where there are a lot more accidents & deaths then I don't see why not.

Some guy isn't gonna drive past a school after 4 pints on the motorway is he?
 
Well if pubs are allowed on normal roads where there are a lot more accidents & deaths then I don't see why not.

Some guy isn't gonna drive past a school after 4 pints on the motorway is he?

No. JUst lose control and cause a 50 car pile-up instead.

It's all opinion.
My opinion is there's no need for it.
Others differ - there's no real explaining to do is there..?
 
No. JUst lose control and cause a 50 car pile-up instead.

It's all opinion.
My opinion is there's no need for it.
Others differ - there's no real explaining to do is there..?

I believe there is a need for better and cheaper food at the services and that's what this establishment is providing and isn't just for the motorway services - also for the hotel guests and for people from the local area. This isn't one of those services with no civilisation for miles

Do people "have" to drink alcohol when having food in the weather spoons ? Is the temptation that great ?

Do you believe golf clubs should stop serving alcohol ?
 
This isn't one of those services with no civilisation for miles

This one isn't. But I would imagine that Wetherspoons aren't going to all of this fuss to open a single, random, pub at a services, on its own. Also, how many people do you think go to a services that aren't on the motorway? Minimal, I would imagine (and no, I don't have a report to back that up)

Do people "have" to drink alcohol when having food in the weather spoons ? Is the temptation that great ?

For many, yes.
 
I think the word "Pub" is Being used to fuel one side of this.
Lets be honest its not exactly a pub in the traditional sense of the word, With everyone Knocking back Pints, smoking 20 B&h and leering at Busty Barmaids.
In my opinion "pubs" are almost extinct.

If a Macdonalds Started serving alcohol would it then become a Pub?
 
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Do you believe golf clubs should stop serving alcohol ?

Exactly, did people not have anything alcoholic to drink at West Hill and then the majority jump on a motorway?

I've been on lots of meets, seen people drink within the limits and then knowing they have had long drives home, where do you draw the line?

I think SILH would possibly support zero tolerance so you can't even have a single drink, let he who casts the first stone, and all that....
 
Much more chance of some form of fatality/accident on a normal road though and that's the facts not my opinion.

But surely this comes back to comparing it with something else!!

I'm talking about one single pub in complete isolation. It cannot be justified "because other places are worse".
 
This one isn't. But I would imagine that Wetherspoons aren't going to all of this fuss to open a single, random, pub at a services, on its own. Also, how many people do you think go to a services that aren't on the motorway? Minimal, I would imagine (and no, I don't have a report to back that up)



For many, yes.

People will go to the weather spoons for a meal

And if the temptation for "many" is that great then we must have "many" drink drivers

And have you asked your club to stop serving booze ?
 
And if the temptation for "many" is that great then we must have "many" drink drivers

We have - virtually all of us have driven whilst over the limit.
Why make it easier to do so?

Anyway, this is going round in circles again.
It's either Yea or Nay depending on your opinion.
Nodoby's mind is going to be changed so I'm out.
 
People will go to the weather spoons for a meal

And if the temptation for "many" is that great then we must have "many" drink drivers

And have you asked your club to stop serving booze ?

I would argue that yes, there are "many" people who drive above, or around, the limit.

No I haven't. Just like I haven't asked for this pub not to be opened. I'm merely expressing my views in the forum. I like to consider the hypothetical situation around it, and look at "ideal situations". Unfortunately life isn't as simple as that, so I wouldn't ask for such a thing.

And before you ask, yes, I have had apint, and then driven. Yes, this does make me a hypocrite. But I still stand by the belief that because something else bad has happened, isn't a free for all for all new things. Yes/No question, do I think there should be a pub on the M40, no.

I've actually enjoyed this, as I hope the others have, but I'm going to have to step out, I feel we are in a back and forth going nowhere, and I would hate for it to descend into a petty argument!

:cheers:
(A fitting smiley I thought)
 
I would argue that yes, there are "many" people who drive above, or around, the limit.

No I haven't. Just like I haven't asked for this pub not to be opened. I'm merely expressing my views in the forum. I like to consider the hypothetical situation around it, and look at "ideal situations". Unfortunately life isn't as simple as that, so I wouldn't ask for such a thing.

And before you ask, yes, I have had apint, and then driven. Yes, this does make me a hypocrite. But I still stand by the belief that because something else bad has happened, isn't a free for all for all new things. Yes/No question, do I think there should be a pub on the M40, no.

I've actually enjoyed this, as I hope the others have, but I'm going to have to step out, I feel we are in a back and forth going nowhere, and I would hate for it to descend into a petty argument!

:cheers:
(A fitting smiley I thought)

So moving the debate forward what are your feelings about the drinkers after a round of golf ?

I fully understand why people would see a risk with the weatherspoons but what are the feelings of the possibly higher risk elsewhere ?

As when you do a driving course of any descriptions advanced driving etc - the most likely area to see an accident is in urban areas yet there are more pubs in these areas than anywhere on a motorway - if as you say you don't want a pub on the motorway services does that mean you would say no to a pub being open on any urban road ?

Agree it has been an enjoyable debate - drink driving is a subject at heart for me after losing a very good friend -I wish there was a zero tolerance towards drink driving - no two pints then driving - not even one pint.
 
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But surely this comes back to comparing it with something else!!

I'm talking about one single pub in complete isolation. It cannot be justified "because other places are worse".

Quite - and I agree that for such things you should assess the pro and cons of the case on their own merits and in isolation from invidious, self justifying and often irrelevant comparisons. But you will fail to move many from their 'well we can this here and we can do that there, so why can't we do the other over there' when in fact I believe we should simply be asking 'can we do the other over there'. Because what actually happens 'over there' will not happen 'here' or 'there' at the same time - events occur in isolation. We do not have comparisons of outcomes of the same event happening in different scenarios to show how wise we were.
 
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