M40 Pub

[Deleted member 17920]

I have just had a look where the pub is. Junction 2 M40.

At Junction 4 Holiday inn 100 Yards off the Junction (With a bar I imagine)

So that's less than a few miles away and the same distance off the motorway no one is kicking off about that.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I have just had a look where the pub is. Junction 2 M40.

At Junction 4 Holiday inn 100 Yards off the Junction (With a bar I imagine)

So that's less than a few miles away and the same distance off the motorway no one is kicking off about that.

It was mentioned on a debate about it that there are over a thousand pubs within a mile of a motorway junction in the UK - no different to this pub

 

[Blue in Munich]

Absolutely - but why increase the risk to other road users - joining a motorway can be a very hairy experience sometimes with the speed of traffic and trucks etc. It's all very well to say coach passengers and folks staying in service station hotels - but that's disingenous wheedling when the risk is drivers having a couple or three pints - or a top up after the night before.

Don't see the need,

Sorry, but given the standard of driving on our roads there are many more things that concern me more than the provision of one more public house at which people MAY have a drink. Tiredness for one on motorways.

Id agree if they were just serving alcohol, But its a Weatherspoons serving reasonably priced food, soft drinks and also other facilities.

I would of thought a lot of motorway users already pull off motorways at junctions and visit pubs for a meal just to avoid paying service station prices, I know I have. I Don't really see the difference.

Exactly. If it provides a bit of competition to some of the vastly overpriced outlets at motorway services and so encourage more people to stop and take a break in a more pleasant and relaxing atmosphere then they may well prove a useful addition. The consumption of alcohol is purely optional, not compulsory.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

No problems with me on this one.

I use a couple of Weatherspoons and two things stand out.
1] The majority of customers are women
2] I have never seen anyone D&D in them.

Motorway services offer dreadful value for money so full support to Tim on this one.

 

[Aztecs27]

Is this the Wetherspoons that's just opened at Beaconsfield we're talking about?

Was there last week before it opened, looks pretty tidy, surprisingly, for a Wetherspoons! Didn't really think anything of it if I'm honest. Suppose it's there for use of the people staying in the Ibis that's on site too.

 

[Coatsy79]

Could be as much to do with the food side of things, I guess not everyone wants a sandwich or macdonalds when they stop at a services?

 

[Sharktooth]

In Oz they have drive-thru bottle shops (off licenses). Get your head round that one...

 

[Imurg]

Well what is the difference between the thousand odd pubs just off motorway junctions to this one solely pub ?

The difference is that, for the most part, those Drivers - and I don't care about passengers, they can have as much as they like - who partake are almost certainly going back onto the Motorway. Any Alcohol reduces your ability to drive so to have it available at M'way services is just crazy in my opinion. Knowing the standard of Driving and the general attitude of most drivers in this Country it scares the living Bejeezus out of me!
I think it would be a very small number of people who would actually venture off the Motorway to find a Pub and then go back on.
Hardened Drink/Drivers are going to do it anyway. Having Booze that available is just asking for trouble. I saw the interviews on the TV the evening it opened. One Guy said he'd just had a couple and was off to continue his journey.....'nuff said!

I just don't see a need for it.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The difference is that, for the most part, those Drivers - and I don't care about passengers, they can have as much as they like - who partake are almost certainly going back onto the Motorway. Any Alcohol reduces your ability to drive so to have it available at M'way services is just crazy in my opinion. Knowing the standard of Driving and the general attitude of most drivers in this Country it scares the living Bejeezus out of me!
I think it would be a very small number of people who would actually venture off the Motorway to find a Pub and then go back on.
Hardened Drink/Drivers are going to do it anyway. Having Booze that available is just asking for trouble. I saw the interviews on the TV the evening it opened. One Guy said he'd just had a couple and was off to continue his journey.....'nuff said!

I just don't see a need for it.

A lot of people who visit the pubs just off the motorway are doing so to get food at a better standard and price compared the motorway services - so a great deal will be going back onto the motorway after visiting the pub.

Currently people can have as much as they like in the services anyway - just buy it from the service shop.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

The difference is that, for the most part, those Drivers - and I don't care about passengers, they can have as much as they like - who partake are almost certainly going back onto the Motorway. Any Alcohol reduces your ability to drive so to have it available at M'way services is just crazy in my opinion. Knowing the standard of Driving and the general attitude of most drivers in this Country it scares the living Bejeezus out of me!
I think it would be a very small number of people who would actually venture off the Motorway to find a Pub and then go back on.
Hardened Drink/Drivers are going to do it anyway. Having Booze that available is just asking for trouble. I saw the interviews on the TV the evening it opened. One Guy said he'd just had a couple and was off to continue his journey.....'nuff said!

I just don't see a need for it.

Heck a mighty! I am not alone as I agree with every word of the above.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Currently people can have as much as they like in the services anyway - just buy it from the service shop.

Don't you think that there is a slight possibility that someone who would have avoided buying alcohol out of a shop and then drink it sat in their car (because even heavy drinkers might think that a bit not very clever or attractive) - might see the pub and think 'well why not - looks nice - I'll have a look - and just one won't make a difference'. And down that route lies peril and danger. No?

 

[NWJocko]

Can you already buy booze in services in either the shop or "restaurant" or even petrol shop? Never noticed as I'm always driving so never looked for it.

Not sure it makes much difference if I'm honest if, as Imurg says, that drink drivers will always do it then what is changing.....

D you feel the same about petrol stations selling booze?

 

[NWJocko]

Don't you think that there is a slight possibility that someone who would have avoided buying alcohol out of a shop and then drink it sat in their car (because even heavy drinkers might think that a bit not very clever or attractive) - might see the pub and think 'well why not - looks nice - I'll have a look - and just one won't make a difference'. And down that route lies peril and danger. No?

Potentially but following your logic to its conclusion do we remove choice for all down to the potential actions of a few in other areas?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Can you already buy booze in services in either the shop or "restaurant" or even petrol shop? Never noticed as I'm always driving so never looked for it.

Not sure it makes much difference if I'm honest if, as Imurg says, that drink drivers will always do it then what is changing.....

D you feel the same about petrol stations selling booze?

You don't put temptation in front of a drinker

 

[NWJocko]

You don't put temptation in front of a drinker

As per my other post, do you want to shut down all high street pubs and off licences to remove temptation?

 

[MegaSteve]

Believe there is a greater 'danger' from those that sit at home of an evening drinking their 'cheap' supermarket booze... Then drive to work in the morning quite likely still under 'the influence'...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Potentially but following your logic to its conclusion do we remove choice for all down to the potential actions of a few in other areas?

where the outcome of the actions of one could be pretty catastrophic on others then yes - we seriously consider removing that choice. Moreto the point here - we don't introduce that choice when it didn't previous exist (a pub at a motorway service station).

 

[NWJocko]

where the outcome of the actions of one could be pretty catastrophic on others then yes - we seriously consider removing that choice. More to the point here - we don't introduce that choice when it didn't previous exist (a pub at a motorway service station).

So a drink driver that comes out of the pub in his town and mows someone down is fine, someone who has a drink and causes an accident on the motorway isn't?

I assumed you could already buy alcohol at services if I'm honest, this is perhaps just more of an overt presence?

You should complain to the licensing bodies, I guess they ,must do a risk assessment before granting a licence in this day and age....

 

[Deleted member 15344]

where the outcome of the actions of one could be pretty catastrophic on others then yes - we seriously consider removing that choice. Moreto the point here - we don't introduce that choice when it didn't previous exist (a pub at a motorway service station).

It did exist - alcohol is sold in the shop

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Believe there is a greater 'danger' from those that sit at home of an evening drinking their 'cheap' supermarket booze... Then drive to work in the morning quite likely still under 'the influence'...

There is certainly possibly a higher risk to others - but any risk is nothing like the risk here. Besides - comparing levels of risk in this context is fine - but accepting one risk does not somehow us to introduce other risks - perhaps with lower probability of happening - but with very significantly greater impact when it does.

And where is the risk mitigation? Will be the cops be sitting on the exits to the m/way pulling drivers over and doing random breath checks? Will they be patrolling the motorways looking for drunk drivers - that's clearly not going to happen. And even a drunk driver can often drive in a straight line doing 80mph - it's when he has to react to something...

And so - apart from a few - all here seem happy to accept the risk that someone might have three pints in a m/way pub and seriously misjudge rejoining a busy motorway with consequences we can guess.