LIV Golf

[Arthur Wedge]

So LIV offers better T’s and C’s for young golfers

You have an issue with that?

is that what it’s called now

Better Terms and Conditions

McKibbon would have had to earn through performances on the PGAT

Liv give an “easier” route to earn more money regardless of performance

It’s the reason why anyone goes to LIV - the money , even the players admitted it

You appeared to be suggesting he was going to give him a better chance in majors

 

[wjemather]

Have they ?

Interesting to see the list

Is that exemptions earned through their performances as opposed to being a “captain”

Tournament winner exemptions, obviously.
A couple of stand-out examples for you, but this sort of thing happens regularly.

Fully exempt through 2009:


Fully exempt through 2019:


Fully exempt through 2022:

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Tournament winner exemptions, obviously.
A couple of stand-out examples for you, but this sort of thing happens regularly.

Fully exempt through 2019:
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Fully exempt through 2022:
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So exemptions earned then - just like in a major

Guess there is a name attached to your two examples

 

[The Squirrel]

Yes LIV has major winner calibre golfers - that were already major winner calibre when they joined.

Has LIV had a player who has developed from young hopeful or standard tour level up to major winner/contender level while playing LIV?

So far the answer is no but on a very limited data sample. It still has to prove it is a suitable environment for golfers to be able to learn and improve to reach that next level.

Hasn’t been around long so the jury is still out on this - the question should be answered more fully over the next few years (if it is still around that long).

 

[wjemather]

Guess there is a name attached to your two examples

Shouldn't be too difficult for you to work out who they are.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Not too difficult to work out who they are if you know anything about the subject.

It’s still exemptions earned by winning yes ?

Drummond won the PGA as did Manneserro ( lost his card and then won it again ) and also Wood

The flagship event on the ET which comes with exemptions

Again it’s not really a relevant comparison to how LIV works is it ?

What have Westwood , Poulter , Kaymer , Watson , Kim won on LIV

Chaccara won a Liv event did he not ?

 

[evemccc]

is that what it’s called now

Better Terms and Conditions

McKibbon would have had to earn through performances on the PGAT

Liv give an “easier” route to earn more money regardless of performance

It’s the reason why anyone goes to LIV - the money , even the players admitted it

You appeared to be suggesting he was going to give him a better chance in majors

T’s and C’s to the “entertainment product” (Quote: Mr R. McIlroy) known as professional golf

 

[Mel Smooth]

is that what it’s called now

Better Terms and Conditions

McKibbon would have had to earn through performances on the PGAT

Liv give an “easier” route to earn more money regardless of performance

It’s the reason why anyone goes to LIV - the money , even the players admitted it

You appeared to be suggesting he was going to give him a better chance in majors

It will give him a better chance in Majors. He’s 16th in the standings in his first year, not a million miles off climbing up to a qualifying spot through LIV for some of the Majors. He’s learning from two of the best players in the world in Rahm and Hatton, and he’ll already have freed himself up from the financial burdens that a lot of young players can face.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

It will give him a better chance in Majors. He’s 16th in the standings in his first year, not a million miles off climbing up to a qualifying spot through LIV for some of the Majors. He’s learning from two of the best players in the world in Rahm and Hatton, and he’ll already have freed himself up from the financial burdens that a lot of young players can face.

How will it give him a better chance in the majors ?

By playing well on PGAT he gains ranking points that helps him move into the top 50 and entry into all the majors and big events

There isn’t a player who has improved his major chances or performances by being on LIV

How has Bob Mac’s career progressed by moving to the PGAT

Aberg and Puig went Pro around the same time - which one has progressed more

 

[wjemather]

It’s still exemptions earned by winning yes ?

Again it’s not really a relevant comparison to how LIV works is it ?

What have Westwood , Poulter , Kaymer , Watson , Kim won on LIV

If we call them "legends" or "members of distinction" or "life members" or "veteran members", rather than "captains" or "business cases", would you be happy with their exemptions then?

 

[Hobbit]

is that what it’s called now

Better Terms and Conditions

McKibbon would have had to earn through performances on the PGAT

Liv give an “easier” route to earn more money regardless of performance

It’s the reason why anyone goes to LIV - the money , even the players admitted it

You appeared to be suggesting he was going to give him a better chance in majors

Devil’s Advocate… just imagine being able to compete without the massive money worries. It might just free some up and coming talent to play without the stress of struggling to keep a card. I don’t think LIV will do much for the top players but maybe it just might be a great path to better performances by those that struggled in the past.

I don’t know either way but I think it’s just as valid an argument as your point… just saying…

 

[Mel Smooth]

How will it give him a better chance in the majors ?

By playing well on PGAT he gains ranking points that helps him move into the top 50 and entry into all the majors and big events

There isn’t a player who has improved his major chances or performances by being on LIV

How has Bob Mac’s career progressed by moving to the PGAT

Aberg and Puig went Pro around the same time - which one has progressed more

Are you suggesting Puig would be as good as Aberg who is two years his senior if he hadn’t joined LIV ?

 

[Mel Smooth]

Devil’s Advocate… just imagine being able to compete without the massive money worries. It might just free some up and coming talent to play without the stress of struggling to keep a card. I don’t think LIV will do much for the top players but maybe it just might be a great path to better performances by those that struggled in the past.

I don’t know either way but I think it’s just as valid an argument as your point… just saying…

Much has been made of McIlroys parents working 100 hours a week to give him the opportunities to play golf.
If an up and coming golfer is offered a LIV contract whereby they can free their families up from financial burden, as well as securing their own financial security - or alternatively they can join a tour where the only guarantee is you have to finance your own progression - including covering the costs of your caddie - they’d be foolish not to give it serious thought.

The pathways into the Majors will continue to develop - they know that..

 

[Arthur Wedge]

If we call them "legends" or "members of distinction" or "life members" or "veteran members", rather than "captains" or "business cases", would you be happy with their exemptions then?

So they have been given exemptions based on who they are as opposed to how they have performed on tour

And you are trying to compare that to people who have one the biggest tournaments on the ET which comes?

As I said which you appear to ignore - exemptions based on performances

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Devil’s Advocate… just imagine being able to compete without the massive money worries. It might just free some up and coming talent to play without the stress of struggling to keep a card. I don’t think LIV will do much for the top players but maybe it just might be a great path to better performances by those that struggled in the past.

I don’t know either way but I think it’s just as valid an argument as your point… just saying…

It might - yep , but that’s different to claims that it will

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Are you suggesting Puig would be as good as Aberg who is two years his senior if he hadn’t joined LIV ?

I didn’t suggest anything

I asked which young amateur moving into the professional ranks has fared better

you are making claims that McKibbon moving to LIV gives him a better chance in the majors

Bob Mac was in the same position - how has he fared moving the PGAT compared to Meronk say ?

 

[wjemather]

Aberg and Puig went Pro around the same time - which one has progressed more

They didn't have the same starting point, career trajectory or potential, so the comparisons are utterly pointless.
Just as it would be equally pointless to select a PGA Tour player who turned pro around the same time who has struggled to make any impact.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Much has been made of McIlroys parents working 100 hours a week to give him the opportunities to play golf.
If an up and coming golfer is offered a LIV contract whereby they can free their families up from financial burden, as well as securing their own financial security - or alternatively they can join a tour where the only guarantee is you have to finance your own progression - including covering the costs of your caddie - they’d be foolish not to give it serious thought.

The pathways into the Majors will continue to develop - they know that..

Or the alternative is

The player has already been given life changing wealth so doesn’t have to work hard to earn it

Rory is the player he is because he worked hard and earned it , his ability got him where he is

 

[Arthur Wedge]

They didn't have the same starting point, career trajectory or potential, so the comparisons are utterly pointless.
Just as it would be equally pointless to select a PGA Tour player who turned pro around the same time who has struggled to make any impact.

Seems that pointless comparisons are the order of the day

It’s like claims that moving to LIV improve someone’s chances in majors

It comes all the way back to main point

People who are competing in majors are who on LIV where already competing in majors - moving to LIV isn’t the reason why they won a major

It’s why players like Gooch , Burmester etc aren’t deserving of entry into majors just based on LIV

 

[Neilds]

Much has been made of McIlroys parents working 100 hours a week to give him the opportunities to play golf.
If an up and coming golfer is offered a LIV contract whereby they can free their families up from financial burden, as well as securing their own financial security - or alternatively they can join a tour where the only guarantee is you have to finance your own progression - including covering the costs of your caddie - they’d be foolish not to give it serious thought.

The pathways into the Majors will continue to develop - they know that..

At last, you are beginning to see the light. LIV is about money and not 'growing the game'