LIV Golf

[Deleted member 21445]

Mito Pereira reported to have already signed for Liv
https://www.golfmagic.com/liv-golf/rumour-presidents-cup-player-has-agreed-join-liv-golf

 

[Backsticks]

Mito Pereira reported to have already signed for Liv
https://www.golfmagic.com/liv-golf/rumour-presidents-cup-player-has-agreed-join-liv-golf

Liv clearly struggling then, and going for a second division feel to it. Clearly offering higher ranked players than the world tour, but lower class wins than it due to the small field/easier wins, and the exhibition vibe to it. PGAT still a clear first division. If that sustains, the risk for LIv is that it moves ever closer to an early champions tour.

 

[C7usk]

I see Saudi have a football friendly with USA on Tuesday... In Spain ?‍...

 

[Deleted member 21445]

Liv clearly struggling then, and going for a second division feel to it. Clearly offering higher ranked players than the world tour, but lower class wins than it due to the small field/easier wins, and the exhibition vibe to it. PGAT still a clear first division. If that sustains, the risk for LIv is that it moves ever closer to an early champions tour.

Hmmmm
Top 5 player in the world also rumoured to be going in the next wave.

 

[Backsticks]

While one might listen to someone claiming to like the key golfing elements of the Liv proposal : team golf, 54 holes, shotgun start, one has to question the basis for the support when the claims, from supposed disinterested ordinary golf fans, strays beyond the golf.

When the above elements, and even the peripheral or temporary ones ; youtube, LOUDER, less US based in theory anyway, are all cited as improvements over the current tours offerings, credibility is stretched.

But a breaking point is reached, when the above are combined with a raft of points that are of no relevance, or even known, to the average, even keen, golf fan.
Being pro LIV because
- it sticks it to the PGAT
- because the PGAT has non profit tax status
- going for personal attacks on Monaghan and even childish name punning
- claiming it is sorting an abusive situation for pgat caddies as if they are Victorian child chimney sweeps
- jibes about the pay of its directors and travel protocols
- that GN is a great guy who just wants to spread the gospel of golf and 'grow the game' worldwide
- that the pgat is an anti competitive monopoly that wont share its members with other business ventures and thus is evil

... strongly suggest an agenda, and not simply the observations of a casual fan.

 

[Deleted member 21445]

While one might listen to someone claiming to like the key golfing elements of the Liv proposal : team golf, 54 holes, shotgun start, one has to question the basis for the support when the claims, from supposed disinterested ordinary golf fans, strays beyond the golf.

When the above elements, and even the peripheral or temporary ones ; youtube, LOUDER, less US based in theory anyway, are all cited as improvements over the current tours offerings, credibility is stretched.

But a breaking point is reached, when the above are combined with a raft of points that are of no relevance, or even known, to the average, even keen, golf fan.
Being pro LIV because
- it sticks it to the PGAT
- because the PGAT has non profit tax status
- going for personal attacks on Monaghan and even childish name punning
- claiming it is sorting an abusive situation for pgat caddies as if they are Victorian child chimney sweeps
- jibes about the pay of its directors and travel protocols
- that GN is a great guy who just wants to spread the gospel of golf and 'grow the game' worldwide
- that the pgat is an anti competitive monopoly that wont share its members with other business ventures and thus is evil

... strongly suggest an agenda, and not simply the observations of a casual fan.

Wow #really

 

[Backsticks]

Wow #really

Before Liv came on the scene, was anyone really anti-PGAT ?
Or did that trend only arise because the PGAT hasnt facilitated LIV to do as it wishes ?

As in - better conditions for caddies. Had ANYONE heard about that as an issue that needed improvement ?

 

[BubbaP]

Liv clearly struggling then, and going for a second division feel to it. Clearly offering higher ranked players than the world tour, but lower class wins than it due to the small field/easier wins, and the exhibition vibe to it. PGAT still a clear first division. If that sustains, the risk for LIv is that it moves ever closer to an early champions tour.

Confess slightly struggling to link up possibly adding a 27 year old with moving to early champions tour ?

Was the goal to be the "first division" with only 48 players? I suspect the short term goal may have been to have comparatively strong fields for the weekends scheduled. Neither of us were in the meetings though ??

 

[Blue in Munich]

Confess slightly struggling to link up possibly adding a 27 year old with moving to early champions tour ?

Was the goal to be the "first division" with only 48 players? I suspect the short term goal may have been to have comparatively strong fields for the weekends scheduled. Neither of us were in the meetings though ??

I think the goal was to drag as many of the top players as possible over. If they had succeeded then the LIV tour would have been slowly expanded to bigger fields so that they effectively knocked the PGA Tour off of its perch. It comes across as Norman trying to spite the PGA Tour by any means possible rather than an attempt to seriously grow the game or treat downtrodden caddies more fairly.

 

[Backsticks]

I think the goal was to drag as many of the top players as possible over. If they had succeeded then the LIV tour would have been slowly expanded to bigger fields so that they effectively knocked the PGA Tour off of its perch. It comes across as Norman trying to spite the PGA Tour by any means possible rather than an attempt to seriously grow the game or treat downtrodden caddies more fairly.

I thought one of their things/'improvements' was to be the smaller field of 50 or so. Or was that just a short term expediency to get up and running, and then expand to 120 or a typical tournament? Kill the pgat off by poaching the top 50 ideally, then the rest will follow naturally?

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Before Liv came on the scene, was anyone really anti-PGAT ?
Or did that trend only arise because the PGAT hasnt facilitated LIV to do as it wishes ?

As in - better conditions for caddies. Had ANYONE heard about that as an issue that needed improvement ?

Yes, I was aware of issues with caddy treatment at PGA tour events, and it’s been an issue for quite a few years.

That’s not to say the players couldn’t have fought harder for their “men” if they cared that much.

 

[BubbaP]

I think the goal was to drag as many of the top players as possible over. If they had succeeded then the LIV tour would have been slowly expanded to bigger fields so that they effectively knocked the PGA Tour off of its perch. It comes across as Norman trying to spite the PGA Tour by any means possible rather than an attempt to seriously grow the game or treat downtrodden caddies more fairly.

Yeah, as previously discussed the "pipedream plan" seemed to be to have the top players with them & also competing on PGAT. To most that clearly wasn't going to happen.
Now 'hostilities' are in place I've seen a bit of speculation about increasing fields, or extra leagues but nothing of substance. The investment/partnership with Asian tour suggested to me that wasn't the plan. But who knows.
It is clear GN has the historical chip on, but not sure he ultimately really has much decision power on that scale. We'll see I guess.

 

[Blue in Munich]

I thought one of their things/'improvements' was to be the smaller field of 50 or so. Or was that just a short term expediency to get up and running, and then expand to 120 or a typical tournament? Kill the pgat off by poaching the top 50 ideally, then the rest will follow naturally?

That’s what I was thinking.

 

[Jacko_G]

While one might listen to someone claiming to like the key golfing elements of the Liv proposal : team golf, 54 holes, shotgun start, one has to question the basis for the support when the claims, from supposed disinterested ordinary golf fans, strays beyond the golf.

When the above elements, and even the peripheral or temporary ones ; youtube, LOUDER, less US based in theory anyway, are all cited as improvements over the current tours offerings, credibility is stretched.

But a breaking point is reached, when the above are combined with a raft of points that are of no relevance, or even known, to the average, even keen, golf fan.
Being pro LIV because
- it sticks it to the PGAT
- because the PGAT has non profit tax status
- going for personal attacks on Monaghan and even childish name punning
- claiming it is sorting an abusive situation for pgat caddies as if they are Victorian child chimney sweeps
- jibes about the pay of its directors and travel protocols
- that GN is a great guy who just wants to spread the gospel of golf and 'grow the game' worldwide
- that the pgat is an anti competitive monopoly that wont share its members with other business ventures and thus is evil

... strongly suggest an agenda, and not simply the observations of a casual fan.

Strongly suggests your own point of view you're painting as a basis of facts.

?

 

[Jacko_G]

Before Liv came on the scene, was anyone really anti-PGAT ?
Or did that trend only arise because the PGAT hasnt facilitated LIV to do as it wishes ?

As in - better conditions for caddies. Had ANYONE heard about that as an issue that needed improvement ?

Yes - it's boring. Yes it's well known in the golfing circles re caddies.

Once again the ladies golf for me was the best viewing of all the tournaments played.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1574434890598203395

 

[Backsticks]

But but but. What about the imminent announcement of a top 5 defector ?

How can no new announcements be spun as good news for LIV ?

Is the war really over ? The usurper has been defeated ?

 

[Mel Smooth]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1574434890598203395

Have you not read the article that explains why they won't be announced until 2023 Phil?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Have you not read the article that explains why they won't be announced until 2023 Phil?

Which article ?‍

The one that claims that players are only going to move when they get enough ranking points to qualify for majors next year ?

The one claiming Rahm and Matsuyama are joining ( again )

The one claiming the “roster” is full next year ?

It’s hard to filter out the right article

At the moment most of the talk from LIV accounts is all about how bad the Presidents Cup was ?‍

 

[Mel Smooth]

Which article ?‍

The one that claims that players are only going to move when they get enough ranking points to qualify for majors next year ?

The one claiming Rahm and Matsuyama are joining ( again )

The one claiming the “roster” is full next year ?

It’s hard to filter out the right article

At the moment most of the talk from LIV accounts is all about how bad the Presidents Cup was ?‍

If they move in 2023, they'll accumulate enough points to gain entry to the majors in 2024.

That's (apparently) the reason why.
It would certainly make sense.