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LIV Golf

How much is Greg making ? Or, being already as rich as Croesus, he is doing it pro bono, because he just wants to spread the word of golf and give something back to the game ?
 
The PGA Tour was brilliant to watch last night, three of the best going head to head over a world class course and playing astonishing golf. Throw in Rose on 59 watch and it was the best advert they could've asked for.

It's rare for an event to be that exciting though. Look at the masters that was over day one. Yesterday was s proper battle

The PGA can't hope that every week that will happen
 
Canadian Open was a particularly good contest.
LIV hardly got a mention in my area, this side of the pond, except from Rory doing his 1-up on titles won. It'll probably feature more for the events un US though.
TV access could well be important for ongoing promotion, though You-Tube seemed to work fine for actual delivery. I suspect there'll be channels over here that would be interested in hosting the broadcasting for the next 3 events.
London was pretty much a prototype/learning exercise imo. But a success all the same - especially for Charl!
 
It’s been a feeder tour to the PGA for 30 years. How many of the signed LIV players would build a future for the DP World Tour?
It became a feeder tour because all the good players left for the MONEY....oh no must blame the Saudi's Greg Norman and maybe through in Donald Trump.
 
It became a feeder tour because all the good players left for the MONEY....oh no must blame the Saudi's Greg Norman and maybe through in Donald Trump.

So because something disruptive happened before, it shouldn't matter it's happening again?

That said it wouldn't necessarily surprise me to see the European Tour not ban anyone. They're in a tight spot with their PGA Tour relationship, but allowing banned PGA Tour players to play their events would be a massive plus. Hence the silence...
 
So because something disruptive happened before, it shouldn't matter it's happening again?

That said it wouldn't necessarily surprise me to see the European Tour not ban anyone. They're in a tight spot with their PGA Tour relationship, but allowing banned PGA Tour players to play their events would be a massive plus. Hence the silence...
Can see the PGA putting pressure on the DP Tour to ban them, and I think the DP Tour will fold,
having LIV players in their field could only enhance them, will wait and see.
 
Can see the PGA putting pressure on the DP Tour to ban them, and I think the DP Tour will fold,
having LIV players in their field could only enhance them, will wait and see.

I think it will depend on the wording of the contracts that players have signed with the DP tour. I read somewhere that for the PGA tour players have to agree not to play on a competing tour which I assume is why the PGA think that the bans can't be legally challenged. If the DP tour don't have the same or similar then I don't think they'll be able to ban players.

Would not banning players open them up to a legal challenge from players that don't qualify due to LIV tour players taking their places? If you were due to play in a tournament and had met the qualifying conditions you'd be pretty miffed to be told that a LIV tour player was taking your place.
 
Swear they can drive over there now

Women are now allowed to drive and also play golf in Saudi, as long as they have permission from their husband or father. I’ve heard many carry a written permission slip which they can show if they’re pulled over. This is not a joke, that’s the society that LIV is promoting.
 
Women are now allowed to drive and also play golf in Saudi, as long as they have permission from their husband or father. I’ve heard many carry a written permission slip which they can show if they’re pulled over. This is not a joke, that’s the society that LIV is promoting.
Are they promoting this? I don't think, if LIV is successful, people in the UK will start to believe that women should only be able to drive if they have permission from the man in their lives. Do you think this is the purpose of LIV?

If anybodies cultural and political values are likely to change as a result of Saudi Arabia doing business with the west, I suspect it is Saudi Arabia that are likely to become more liberal. That is my thought anyway. But, it won't happen tomorrow. It won't happen next yearz even if McIlroy and all join LIV. It would be a gradual change that will probably happen beyond our lifetime.
 
I have to admit, I have no idea what's 'in it' for Saudi Arabia by financing LIV golf

I mean what actually do they have to gain by doing it?
 
Didnt see anyone arriving after the golf finished! Not sure where you got that from but the car parks were emptying, not filling back up. I left before the show.. didnt even start till 9.15pm!!

Ive never attended a golf event before, this was my first and I am now highly likely to attend another event as the whole thing was first class.

Highly likely to purchase a ticket again for next year after such a good day on Saturday

Apart from the concert, the fan experience at LIV was exactly the same as any other tour event. I’m not knocking it, just saying that every tournament I’ve been to has had a golf simulator, putting games, bars, food etc. I think tournament golf is a great day out and my kids love it.
 
I have to admit, I have no idea what's 'in it' for Saudi Arabia by financing LIV golf

I mean what actually do they have to gain by doing it?

Saudis are catching onto what the rest of that part of the world has known for a few years .. oil profits will eventually fall, not short term but long term

Meaning they need another form of revenue for their country

Saudi is a very rich country with low poverty but high unemployment, they are trying to attract buisnesses in hubs they are building

They can litterally write off this golf money so long as it builds a revenue long term for the country
 
I have to admit, I have no idea what's 'in it' for Saudi Arabia by financing LIV golf

I mean what actually do they have to gain by doing it?

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It became a feeder tour because all the good players left for the MONEY....oh no must blame the Saudi's Greg Norman and maybe through in Donald Trump.

Can you see the difference between going somewhere for more money, and going somewhere that is hosted by a repressive regime with an appalling human rights records for more money
 
Not sure this has been mentioned,but will the breakaway players (those banned from the PGA tour) have a knock on effect for the Netflix show they were filming. It wouldnt surprise me if the PGA didnt want any of those players (I think Poulter was definitely being filmed at some point) on the show. Though I am not sure if it was PGA tour exclusive.
 
"Sportswashing is the practice of an individual, group, corporation, or government using sport to improve their tarnished reputation, through hosting a sporting event, the purchase or sponsorship of sporting teams, or by participation in the sport itself. At the international level, sportswashing has been used to direct attention away from a poor human rights record and corruption scandals within a government. While at the individual or corporate level sportswashing is used to cover up and direct attention away from said person's or company's vices, crimes, or scandals. Sportswashing is an example of reputation laundering."

Same as when PGA went to China and dp went to Saudi or dp who own p&o sacked everyone

Those in glass houses
 
Can see the PGA putting pressure on the DP Tour to ban them, and I think the DP Tour will fold,
having LIV players in their field could only enhance them, will wait and see.

Why will the DP Tour fold ?

There was only about 7/8 players from the DP in the event ?
 
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