Mel Smooth
Hacker
I buy 12 eggs for ten pence each.
I keep 7 eggs to hatch as chickens.
I sell 5 of those eggs for 20 pence.
The eggs are currently generating cash, but they are not making money.
Comprende?
LIV Golf
- Thread starter MarkT
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I buy 12 eggs for ten pence each.
I keep 7 eggs to hatch as chickens.
I sell 5 of those eggs for 20 pence.
The eggs are currently generating cash, but they are not making money.
Comprende?
D
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"Earlier in January, McIlroy said he would be open to play in a LIV Golf-backed tournament if the controversial tour became more like cricket's Indian Premier League - a softened stance that LIV chief executive Greg Norman said was a "significant turning point" for the sport."
LIV Golf: Rory McIlroy says players returning to PGA Tour should not be punished
Rory McIlroy says he has "changed his tune" on LIV Golf and that players should not face punishment if they return to the PGA Tour.www.bbc.co.uk
I mean, he's made the biggest U turn going.
We all know why, he's been thrown under the bus by Monohan after his massive U turn and the merger stuff has all come out. He needs to save face and I do not think its his fault
The key part is “if it changed to a different format” and worked alongside the other tours - he expanded a bit more on the full length interview
Having some events bookmarking the tours , with all the big players backed by PIF - so before the season started ( around now ) you have 2 or 3 big events and then after The Open or Fed Ex that’s when there is a bunch of more big events with all the players
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
Nope, they are making money. What they aren't making or generating is profit. Two very different things.
Bdill93
Undisputed King of FOMO
But they are working towards working with other tours.
They don't need to change the format if it becomes a wrap around event to the PGAT schedule. It'll just be different golf but the lack of WR points would be irrelevant.
He's been smart saying what he's said but we all know why and its because the take over is inevitable. I'm sure he'd be standing firmer still (like he was before) has Jay not thrown him under a bus and began the merger.
D
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So you agree with me then because that's exactly what I said.Arguing for the sake of arguing.
I know it’s hard for you to understand so I’ll try and make it a bit clearer
You just post blanket statements without little detail and then call him a hypocrite - you lack the details of what he is saying
His view on the current LIV product hasn’t changed , he still hates “with a blind passion” ( as you said) - that view has not changed , it’s still the same
What has changed is his view on how the players who left are treated etc
Look beyond a headline
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
He was also adamant at the start of LIV that players have made their beds and and they shouldn't be allowed to play unless they turn their back on the tour and paid the fines. His view on how players are treated is a clear U-turn on that original stance
I know it’s hard for you to understand so I’ll try and make it a bit clearer
You just post blanket statements without little detail and then call him a hypocrite - you lack the details of what he is saying
His view on the current LIV product hasn’t changed , he still hates “with a blind passion” ( as you said) - that view has not changed , it’s still the same
What has changed is his view on how the players who left are treated etc
Look beyond a headline
Mel Smooth
Hacker
And where have I claimed LIV is currently making profit?
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Exactly - you're still arguing but agreeing with the crux of what I said.
I know it’s hard for you to understand so I’ll try and make it a bit clearer
You just post blanket statements without little detail and then call him a hypocrite - you lack the details of what he is saying
His view on the current LIV product hasn’t changed , he still hates “with a blind passion” ( as you said) - that view has not changed , it’s still the same
What has changed is his view on how the players who left are treated etc
Look beyond a headline
Some ex-Ryder players go and Rory says sod 'em, they should be fined and not allowed back.
John Rahm goes and suddenly it's "oh no, we can't play the RC without John, we should let them back in."
Hypocrite, simple as.
Mel Smooth
Hacker
Didn’t Rory say he expects to play on LIV at some point?
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I’m not sure what working is going on tbh
There has been lost of talk but nothing from the people that matter - it seems the deal that’s currently being made is with US companies , I don’t think Saudi will be allowed to own the PGAT
If there was going to be some joining etc then LIV wouldn’t be trying to grab more players
I think the whole thing is a mess , and it’s going to be a mess for a while
It wouldn’t surprise me if in 12 months we are in the same position as right now - the people that are suffering are the fans at the end of the day , the golfers are getting richer ( some very rich ) but the whole golf tour product is diluted now
I don’t see LIV events in their current format being tagged onto the PGAT just so they get points and media deals - how do the players move between the two , do they only allow the LIV players to play on LIV events etc - it’s just a mess
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
"I was maybe a little judgmental of the guys who went to LIV Golf at the start, and I think it was a bit of a mistake on my part because I now realize that not everyone is in my position or in Tiger Woods’ position," McIlroy said. "We all turn professional to make a living playing the sports that we do, and I think that’s what I realized over the last two years. I can’t judge people for making that decision, so if I regret anything, it was probably being too judgmental at the start."
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chrisd
Major Champion
I'll tell you what's not going on - my tv !
mikejohnchapman
Challenge Tour Pro
Never like to get in the way of a good argument but one of the main things that hasn't been discussed is timing.
The idea that the team aspect of LIV (whatever format this is) will be shoehorned into PGA "off-season" and then the LIV players would basically have the summer off - unless they were major qualified seems a bit far fetched. Hence the IPL analogy might not work. Add to this the stated desire to "grow the game" and most of the LIV events will be moved to southern hemisphere venue over the winter.
Free membership of the DPWT for all LIV players might work but otherwise the precious PGA tour are going to have to give up some dates.
The idea that the team aspect of LIV (whatever format this is) will be shoehorned into PGA "off-season" and then the LIV players would basically have the summer off - unless they were major qualified seems a bit far fetched. Hence the IPL analogy might not work. Add to this the stated desire to "grow the game" and most of the LIV events will be moved to southern hemisphere venue over the winter.
Free membership of the DPWT for all LIV players might work but otherwise the precious PGA tour are going to have to give up some dates.
AussieKB
Well-known member
Rory was thrown under the bus by Jay......but go back and look at all his statements,
if it was the other way round, all you anti Liv people would be say Hypocrite.
if it was the other way round, all you anti Liv people would be say Hypocrite.
wjemather
Well-known member
This just isn't true. Rahm was always very measured in his comments about LIV.
Nor is this. Confirming entry to tournaments is normal practice. For someone in Hatton's position, it's simply covering your bases; it certainly isn't demonstrating any kind of commitment to a tour.
You can't just separate his views on playing LIV as it is currently and claim his "stance on LIV hasn't changed". It very obviously has; massively so.
C7usk
Active member
Totally agree Phil... People's opinions change. That's life..
Acceptance of the changing parameters and therfore changing your stance on things is surely better than just being stubborn and sticking to your original opinion...
Why Rory is getting it tight compared to others who have left to join LIV is madness...i hated the thought of LIV when it first started, but although I don't like the format etc I find myself mellowing...
I like that Rory wears his heart on his sleeve but is also willing to accept when he is wrong... If we all did that the world would maybe be a better place.
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Jon Rahm blasts LIV Golf in 2022: My heart is with PGA Tour, $400m not life-changing
Jon Rahm insisted as recently as June 2022 that he can understand the allure of joining the LIV Golf Series but was adamant the competition format doesn't appeal to him.
www.skysports.com
Prior to his LIV switch, the Spaniard said in July: "I do believe that some punishment should be in order, but I don’t know what. That’s for the disciplinary board and other people that are paid to do that. My job is to hit the golf ball and try to do the best I can.
Rahm has also previously admitted that he can "see the appeal that other people see towards LIV Golf". Yet he's criticised the 54-hole format. "Shotgun three days to me is not a golf tournament, no cut," the Spaniard has admitted. "It's that simple."
When it comes to being hypocrites - Rahm is prob at the top of the tree
LIV is full of golfers that are hyprocites - players that declared loyality to other tours to then jump for the money and then go on about “loyalty , growing the game” etc etc
AussieKB
Well-known member
You should be a politician....
Fore Right
Well-known member
Surely everyone is guessing as to what the new pro golf landscape/schedule is going to look like.
The negotiations are to try and structure a whole new schedule incorporating PGA Tour, LIV and DPWT and try and meet the needs of each tour.
Something has to give for that to happen.
From what I have read if the PGA Tour had sat down at the very start Liv would have been happy to sit outside the PGA Tour schedule and run their events through the off season.
Liv has bought itself leverage now with the players it has acquired so they are probably going to be wanting dates in the high season schedule.
Maybe the PGA Tour keeps their iconic now signature events and the likes of the Farmers and John Deeres have to be sacrificed to Liv Events as part of the NEW CO schedule ?
The negotiations are to try and structure a whole new schedule incorporating PGA Tour, LIV and DPWT and try and meet the needs of each tour.
Something has to give for that to happen.
From what I have read if the PGA Tour had sat down at the very start Liv would have been happy to sit outside the PGA Tour schedule and run their events through the off season.
Liv has bought itself leverage now with the players it has acquired so they are probably going to be wanting dates in the high season schedule.
Maybe the PGA Tour keeps their iconic now signature events and the likes of the Farmers and John Deeres have to be sacrificed to Liv Events as part of the NEW CO schedule ?
rksquire
Head Pro
Rory's opinions have changed because of the $$$ - any criticism aimed at the original defectors should now, in fairness, be levelled at him, especially as he now knows what is coming down in the line in the next few weeks and months.
The PGAT and SSG deal is simply the gateway to greater Saudi riches and likely Federal approval (its not gone.... its just diluted?).
McIlroy is a smart man, for the all the criticism he will receive for backtracking, he knows his most recent and likely to be continued comments will ultimately make him even richer with him having a chunk of the pie. SSG is a collective, with a wide spread of investors, including FSG (Rory already has close links here for his own venture & Boston team) and Red Bird Capital (Rory already has close links here with F1), not to mention multiple other SSG investors who were already investing with McIlroy and Woods for the TGL venture. He probably stands to do quite well with the partnership, but given his links to the all the source(s) of the investment he's essentially no longer Monahan's puppet but SSGs.
The murky world of $$$. He has fingers in a lot of pies, he may be more confident about this years golf because he knows the plan, but he is no less pre-occupied. The decision to leave the policy board, softening stance, etc. are all calculated moves - and absolutely fair play to him, he won't need or miss any LIV signing bonus.
The PGAT and SSG deal is simply the gateway to greater Saudi riches and likely Federal approval (its not gone.... its just diluted?).
McIlroy is a smart man, for the all the criticism he will receive for backtracking, he knows his most recent and likely to be continued comments will ultimately make him even richer with him having a chunk of the pie. SSG is a collective, with a wide spread of investors, including FSG (Rory already has close links here for his own venture & Boston team) and Red Bird Capital (Rory already has close links here with F1), not to mention multiple other SSG investors who were already investing with McIlroy and Woods for the TGL venture. He probably stands to do quite well with the partnership, but given his links to the all the source(s) of the investment he's essentially no longer Monahan's puppet but SSGs.
The murky world of $$$. He has fingers in a lot of pies, he may be more confident about this years golf because he knows the plan, but he is no less pre-occupied. The decision to leave the policy board, softening stance, etc. are all calculated moves - and absolutely fair play to him, he won't need or miss any LIV signing bonus.
