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[Deleted member 21445]

If the goal was to get a new tour off the ground in record fast time, attract some of the worlds best Golfers, have players compete at/win majors, start to grow their crowds at events, have a huge success in Australia which defo has a big future, attract an audience with a much lower average age then yes it was a success.

If the goal was to turn a profit and achieve a large TV contract on a major network then no it wasn't.

It's just not correct to say its been a total failure..

 

[Deleted member 29109]

If the goal was to get a new tour off the ground in record fast time, attract some of the worlds best Golfers, have players compete at/win majors, start to grow their crowds at events, have a huge success in Australia which defo has a big future, attract an audience with a much lower average age then yes it was a success.

If the goal was to turn a profit and achieve a large TV contract on a major network then no it wasn't.

It's just not correct to say its been a total failure..

Where did they state those were the goals before they set up their tour?

 

[D-S]

Where did they state those were the goals before they set up their tour?

If the PGA Tour leadership is anything to go by, then we shouldn’t give credence to anything any tour leadership may or may have not stated in the past.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

If the PGA Tour leadership is anything to go by, then we shouldn’t give credence to anything any tour leadership may or may have not stated in the past.

But, I wasn’t asking that question

 

[Deleted member 21445]

This could be getting very messy.

Claude Harmon on his podcast saying he has heard some PGA tour players who turned down multi millions from Liv on advice from PGAT are looking into taking legal action against the PGAT.

If true (IF) that shows JM has completely lost the trust of his most influential members and will do well to survive this hypocritical u-turn of all hypocritical u turns.

Moving forwrd JM and the PGAT management should be getting hauled over the coals just like the Liv players did, in fact it should be far worse for him because of his hypocritical behavior.
I mean JM one year ago says he feels for the 9/11 families seeing Liv golfers take money from the PIF and you dont have to be sorry for playing on the PGAT, then this Jimmy Dunne character comes out last week saying prove to me anyone was invovled in the 9/11 attacks.
I mean its unbelievable but literally nothing from the golfing media about this whereas it was a free for all on Liv one year ago.
For example Greg Norman was regularly asked about Khasoggi in the early days of Liv, JM should be made to field those very same awkward questions by the very same golfing media.

There is absolutely no difference in the PGAT taking PIF money.

 

[larmen]

Is there a summary somewhere what it all means for the actual golf?

Who gets what tour card? Who gets invited to what events? Shot gun starts? Cuts? Ranking points?

 

[Backsticks]

Moving forwrd JM and the PGAT management should be getting hauled over the coals just like the Liv players did, in fact it should be far worse for him because of his hypocritical behavior.

Why ? What purpose would that serve ?

 

[Beezerk]

Why ? What purpose would that serve ?

You’re like the shopkeeper from Mr Ben

 

[Imurg]

Is there a summary somewhere what it all means for the actual golf?

Who gets what tour card? Who gets invited to what events? Shot gun starts? Cuts? Ranking points?

Nobody has a clue...everything is speculation.

 

[BubbaP]

Is there a summary somewhere what it all means for the actual golf?

Who gets what tour card? Who gets invited to what events? Shot gun starts? Cuts? Ranking points?

As per above, suspect we are months from knowing these things. Maybe even for the 2025 season.
Won't stop all the speculation though

 

[Deleted member 29109]

As per above, suspect we are months from knowing these things. Maybe even for the 2025 season.
Won't stop all the speculation though

Nobody knows. Except perhaps Richard Bland apparently.

It’s quite amusing watching some people keep pushing a narrative. Clutching at straws comes to mind.

 

[larmen]

Cheers. I just wondered because the loudest players on social media seem to be the ones that were close to losing their tour card before they went on the invite tour.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

This could be getting very messy.

Claude Harmon on his podcast saying he has heard some PGA tour players who turned down multi millions from Liv on advice from PGAT are looking into taking legal action against the PGAT.

If true (IF) that shows JM has completely lost the trust of his most influential members and will do well to survive this hypocritical u-turn of all hypocritical u turns.

Moving forwrd JM and the PGAT management should be getting hauled over the coals just like the Liv players did, in fact it should be far worse for him because of his hypocritical behavior.
I mean JM one year ago says he feels for the 9/11 families seeing Liv golfers take money from the PIF and you dont have to be sorry for playing on the PGAT, then this Jimmy Dunne character comes out last week saying prove to me anyone was invovled in the 9/11 attacks.
I mean its unbelievable but literally nothing from the golfing media about this whereas it was a free for all on Liv one year ago.
For example Greg Norman was regularly asked about Khasoggi in the early days of Liv, JM should be made to field those very same awkward questions by the very same golfing media.

There is absolutely no difference in the PGAT taking PIF money.

How much are LiV paying you to constantly push their narrative?

Can you see not difference in working directly with them to set up a new venture or taking their money directly and being told to actively talk down the PGA? As opposed to have them invest in an existing structure?

I’d rather PIF not be involved at all. But there is a difference.

The PGAT players that stayed aren’t asking for Saudi money. They are saying that if the LiV players are just allowed back without consequences, then they deserve to be paid for staying. That is difficult to argue against.

 

[Backsticks]

Yes, curious how LIV supporters for its golf offering have morphed into anti-PGAT and pro PIFers !

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Cheers. I just wondered because the loudest players on social media seem to be the ones that were close to losing their tour card before they went on the invite tour.

No one knows, but a lot of speculation takes place, disguised as fact.

 

[Reemul]

How much are LiV paying you to constantly push their narrative?

Can you see no difference in working directly with them to set up a new venture or taking their money directly and being told to actively talk down the PGA? As opposed to have them invest in an existing structure?

I’d rather PIF not be involved at all. But there is a difference.

The PGAT players that stayed aren’t asking for Saudi money. They are saying that if the LiV players are just allowed back without consequences, then they deserve to be paid for staying. That is difficult to argue against.

There is not much of a difference you know. The Pif money is from a terrible regime, we can justify any way we want. Growing up i was always told 2 wrongs don't make a right, but it seems in many minds this one does.....

 

[Deleted member 29109]

There is not much of a difference you know. The Pif money is from a terrible regime, we can justify any way we want. Growing up i was always told 2 wrongs don't make a right, but it seems in many minds this one does.....

It absolutely doesn’t. But there is a stark difference between running towards the money and pretending it was to grow the game or secure the future of your family (this last point might be true of Phil if his gambling exploits ar to be believed). And having the money forced up you as is the case with most of the PGAT and DPWT players.

What are they supposed to do, retire?

 

[D-S]

What are they supposed to do, retire?

Change the management? hold the management to account?

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Change the management? hold the management to account?

Absolutely. But how does that get them out of the position they find themselves in?

 

[Reemul]

What they should have done is held the morale high ground. Let those that want to go go, improve the serivces, step up the offering. Most businesses in the real world when up against compatition have to step it up not sell up. Instead they got greedy and folded within a year yet there seems very little sign many others were going. They waved the white flag very very quickly in regard to taking the cash. Some people didn't mind the LIV and some watched it but the majority stilled liked the PGAT. Really poor management in my eyes, very short sighted and morally repugnant after all that has been said about Liv and where the cash comes from (the same place you know).