Golf already had a global market
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Yorkhacker
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Will be interesting to see what will happen to players who resigned from the DP tour. Sure they can reapply for their cards, but will they get them, or will it be an opportunity to get rid of the has beens.
I assume Garcia will have to pay his fine too. I know its a drop in the ocean, but presumably he didn't pay it as a matter of 'principle'.
I assume Garcia will have to pay his fine too. I know its a drop in the ocean, but presumably he didn't pay it as a matter of 'principle'.
Swango1980
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For someone that scolds others for predicting the future as they are on no position to know, you obviously feel you are free to speculate as much as you wish. You seem to know more than the professional golfers themselves.
Perhaps the PGAT will play a couple of events in the Middle East. I can certainly see that. But, I doubt it will be all that extensive. I'd have thought about 90% of the events would remain in the USA. Unless they have some sort of second tier of golfers that can play in parallel more globally, while bigger events are in US.
Not sure many of the LIV tour formats will survive, unless they humour us for a bit before scrapping them. I guess I can see shorts will become acceptable.
Swango1980
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From what I gather from the interview with Pelley, they'd have to pay their fines if they want back this year. But, he went a bit sheepish about the following year. I suppose they'll be allowed back in
Captain_Black.
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All I can say is wow.
I didn't see this coming.
A bit late to this thread
So the Liv players get to keep their huge signing on fees, whilst the PGA & DP tour players who resisted the temptation get naff all.
Is that correct?
I didn't see this coming.
A bit late to this thread
So the Liv players get to keep their huge signing on fees, whilst the PGA & DP tour players who resisted the temptation get naff all.
Is that correct?
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So the job was just sports washing for the Saudis?
Greg has been used as a pawn. He didn’t even know about the deal until 5 minutes before it was announced.
ColchesterFC
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I can't help but think that the Saudis have realised that they've been sold a pup by Greg Norman and rather than waste more billions of dollars on a project that wasn't as successful as they'd been promised they've realised that the money would be better spent on buying into the PGA Tour instead. I'm sure that if McIlroy, Rahm, Cantlay, Hovland and all the top golfers had gone across to LIV then this wouldn't have happened. I wonder if Norman's ego was writing cheques that he couldn't cash in terms of what he told LIV that he'd be able to deliver?
RichA
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The news outlets making, "Peace in our time", references probably have it about right.
If any of those who spoke about human rights in the last 12 months and associated themselves with the 9/11 families have any integrity they'll be thinking about an alternative route for pro golf.
If any of those who spoke about human rights in the last 12 months and associated themselves with the 9/11 families have any integrity they'll be thinking about an alternative route for pro golf.
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
In the real world if you’re in charge of paint at homebase and B&Q offer you triple wages to run their paint section but you turn it down (for whatever reason)
Then B&Q buys homebase but doesn’t change the sign on the door… should ‘paint guy’ expect compensation for the ‘lost’ triple wages?
But the guys affected don’t live in the real world so my analogy means naff all really
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I think that’s about the crux of it - hence why he hasn’t had any involvement in what’s just happened.
There is a lot of bravado at the moment from the LIV accounts and those linked and behind it but I think most know that the writing is on the wall for LIV
PIF are not going to continue to throw money behind that area when they now have a foot in a ready made tour and have the ET as a bonus which adds in the global events
There will be some team comp prob enhance the Zurich , a rich event in Saudi where the players will need to play and then loads of co sanction events in Asia etc - there won’t be any LIV events in the US and all the stuff about franchises etc will just disappear
Unless Greg Norman decides to go alone and get money from somewhere else
The only winners from this are PIF and those players that earned a lot over the last two years -none of it has been good for the sport and we pretty now have the pro game stated owned which imo is awful
D-S
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I liked this comment from a US sports show:-
"There seems to be a real comfort with attacking these people...up until the money hits your account...That's kind of been America's relationship with dictatorships around the world: They're evil until they're on our side."
"There seems to be a real comfort with attacking these people...up until the money hits your account...That's kind of been America's relationship with dictatorships around the world: They're evil until they're on our side."
Captain_Black.
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I would imagine all the PGA & DP World players who stuck by their tour's, especially those who we're very outspoken about the Saudi involvement must be feeling very stitched up & pretty sick atm.
Swango1980
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Seems a good summary.
If LIV had signed nearly all the best players, earned ranking points, and was half as popular as people like Mel Smooth like to have had us believe, then there would be no deal. They'd simply continue that journey to become the biggest thing in golf.
However, they recognised it failed miserably at gaining the popularity it needed to become sustainable. No signs it was going to take off. So, they just bought the biggest tours in golf instead.
The heads of the PGAT and European Tour fought hard against it, when they felt it would lose them a bit of money. They penalised players who took that money, and tried to take the moral high ground. But, as soon as that money came their way instead, they jumped at the chance.
Probably wouldn't be so bad if the heads of the tours were the ones who were front and centre of the arguments, and transparent all the way through, even through negotiations. But, they hung players put to dry with bans and fines. Hung others out to dry by making them their spokesmen, then stabbing them in back it seems.
We all talk about McIlroy, Woods and Nicklaus, wanting to hear their view. Quite looking forward to Billy Horschel, he usually is quite entertaining in his opinions
AussieKB
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Are you off the drip yet ? hope the paddles did not hurt.
D-S
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I agree with most of this, however whether the format was going to be a long term success or not was still unknown - it only was going for a year wasn’t it? This move has got the Saudis what they want a lot quicker with less risk, whether they could have got to this position without the disrupter LIV concept is open to debate.
They probably are.
We golf fans are the big winners. No split fields is the key. All the top golfers competing with each other in big fields, with paths in and out, and proper tournaments rather than Mickey Mouse limited fields with filler from the past. The demise of the LIV louder is great. All back to golf now.
Who owns it at the end of it all is immaterial - I wouldnt have known, nor cared, about the company and financial structure of the pgat ot ET prior to last year. I still dont care. I just want top golf, ideally played in the USA, which suits our TV time.
AussieKB
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I like reading all the anti Liver's comments about how this is good for golf, think crow on the menu tonight for a lot of people.
The absolute outrage on here by the usual suspects is hilarious.
The team element will take off, the yanks love supporting a team.
Jay and Keith have hung their players out to dry by the sound of things.
Also, LIV was good for the kids from what I’ve seen, a much more relaxed atmosphere at these events and that can surely only be a good thing.
Im looking forward to the future of golf.
The team element will take off, the yanks love supporting a team.
Jay and Keith have hung their players out to dry by the sound of things.
Also, LIV was good for the kids from what I’ve seen, a much more relaxed atmosphere at these events and that can surely only be a good thing.
Im looking forward to the future of golf.
Golfnut1957
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Hypothetical, but it is feasible that the LIV events of which they aren't as many and which have a much smaller field, could continue to run at the same time as PGA and DPWT events with players choosing which event they want to play.
Pre LIV the choice was always between the PGAT and the DPWT with the DPWT losing out to the bigger purses. The DPWT probably still loses out in this scenario but the other two get to share the talent. Perhaps teams will "transfer in" a player for a particular match. I could see Sergio transferring Rory in for a week.
Pre LIV the choice was always between the PGAT and the DPWT with the DPWT losing out to the bigger purses. The DPWT probably still loses out in this scenario but the other two get to share the talent. Perhaps teams will "transfer in" a player for a particular match. I could see Sergio transferring Rory in for a week.
