LIV Golf

[Ian_George]

I don't think it ever was tbh, and you'd have to be pretty stupid to believe these guys weren't aware that LIV was intended to be a truly global series that would require them to play golf across the planet - unless of course Gregg sold them a yarn about having a machine that could teleport them around the world, and they all fell for it.

Norman must be on his way out! You can't even spell his first name!

 

[Beezerk]

Surely 1st! And, if co-ordinated properly, all on the 'company jet'!

Just don’t invite Olesen on there ?

 

[Ian_George]

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Come on though, Rahm has a point right? I get the field strength by size etc, but if you were entereing either The DPWTC or the RSM this weekend, which would you fancy your chances in the most (assuming you're pretyy good at golf)

Yes, he does - at least imo. It (the DPWTC) is another that should have (or at least be a candidate for having) a minimum value allocation for the winner (and maybe a couple of other places)! Though I'm not particularly keen on frigging things that way! I'd sooner have a different category of event that reflects the 'different' nature of such events and uses a multiplier - or several, depending on final placing.

 

[AussieKB]

OWGR favors the US PGA and will continue to do so, think Rory had better have a quiet talk with Rahm, but not too bad, hate to see him move to LIV, because then he would become a has been.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Not just Rory....where is the money coming from ? do not read your earlier posts.

So should they quit their home tour because of who the ET sell the sponsership too ? Going to be tough for any golfer to play anywhere then

 

[Ian_George]

OWGR favors the US PGA and will continue to do so, think Rory had better have a quiet talk with Rahm, but not too bad, hate to see him move to LIV, because then he would become a has been.

Er...No it doesn't! A DPWT with the same field as a PGAT one would produce an identical Field Rating! But the attributes of PGA Tour events (eg 130+ fields) does, generally, produce a higher Field Rating! Like squeezed balloon, the recent tweaks seemed to have raised as many apparent anomalies as they 'fixed'!

 

[Depreston]

OWGR favors the US PGA and will continue to do so, think Rory had better have a quiet talk with Rahm, but not too bad, hate to see him move to LIV, because then he would become a has been.

I can't see Rahm not joining now feels like a matter of when not if

 

[Imurg]

I can't see Rahm not joining now feels like a matter of when not if

Surely some points are better than none....

 

[Swango1980]

OWGR favors the US PGA and will continue to do so, think Rory had better have a quiet talk with Rahm, but not too bad, hate to see him move to LIV, because then he would become a has been.

Another broken record, your interpretation is pathetic. I can only give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are trolling now, rather than actually believing what you say, or that is your genuine interpretation of what others have said.

Just because there are a large number of has beens on LIV, no-one has ever said 100% of them are. Playing the victim does not help your cause.

 

[doublebogey7]

He can still gob off to his hearts content, he just needs to do it to a limited audience.

Come on though, Rahm has a point right? I get the field strength by size etc, but if you were entereing either The DPWTC or the RSM this weekend, which would you fancy your chances in the most (assuming you're pretyy good at golf)

If I was a professional golfer competing against fellow professional golfers, then generally I would feel my chances of winning would decrease with the size of the field. If I was Rory I would feel confident of winning both, guess if I was Rahm, then maybe he'd have a better chance of winning the RSM. If I was Paul Waring on the other hand the DPWT event would be my choice. So it really depends on which golfer I am, but I would say the vast majority playing in Dubai will have a better chance there than in America, purely down to numbers and the same for those playing the RSM.

 

[BubbaP]

He is a member of the European Tour , and it’s the final event of the European Tour order or merit and he is currently top of the standings - yes he is only playing for the money as opposed to being number one on both the main golf tours ?

I think the option finish top is a big part of it. Have said before I think it is wrong that points from majors are included, they've effectively doubled up in the two OOMs - and over half his points are from them. But he didn't make the rules, so not his fault.
Have actually popped a few sheckles on him, these limited field no cut events seem to be his wheelhouse of late ?

But IMO the really big, important question for this thread is...
For how long will you be referring to "The European Tour" ? ??☺?

Is it a protest? ? I think we should be told.

 

[Deleted member 21445]

Jon Rahm not mincing his words

OWGR seems to be losing more credibility with every passing week

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592902815453618177

 

[Blue in Munich]

Jon Rahm not mincing his words

It seems to be losing more credibility with every passing week

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592902815453618177

No, he's not, is he. From the same link in the tweet;

One day after McIlroy called for LIV Golf CEO Greg Norman’s head, Rahm supported the Northern Irishman’s view that the Australian needs to be the first casualty in the on-going dispute between LIV and the PGA/DP World Tours. “I think Greg has had a vendetta against the PGA Tour for a long time,” Rahm said. “And when you have an ulterior motive, it can cloud your judgement a little bit. Greg is a player, not a businessman, even if he has been successful in that area. To me, he has an ulterior motive beyond just creating a golf tour. He’s had this vengeance for 30 years. So his intentions might not be as pure as they could, which is a problem. So he might not be the best person for the job, even if he has done great things for the tour. I do believe that, for conversations to take place, Greg might need to be gone. Right now, it doesn’t seem like he and [PGA Tour commissioner] Jay [Monahan] will want to be in the same room together. “I’m not going to lie and tell you I agree with everything the PGA Tour has done,” Rahm continued. “It was a mistake and a wasted opportunity to not meet with LIV. Both sides missed the mark on that. And that is where a lot of the animosity started. Even if they disagreed, it would have been good to talk. So to get a resolution we might need one or both of them gone. I hope not. Jay has done a great job for the PGA Tour.”

Doesn't seem to be getting the same amount of flak as Rory for it though...

 

[BubbaP]

Yeah. I suspect Rory's "exit stage left" soundbite was heaven to the journos

Full JR interview here..
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/jo...anking-formula-laughable-greg-norman-vendetta

 

[BrianM]

It should off been sorted long ago, there is no reason why it couldn’t have worked between all 3 tours in my opinion.
The DPWT has been royally shafted in my opinion and Keith Pelley is the man that needs to take responsibility for that.
As a European fan this is what kills me the most in all this.
That world rankings are garbage now and everyone can see that.

 

[BubbaP]

On the OGWR debate - they've decided (based on models) to reward larger fields, and the depth. This maybe helps 3 of the majors. Pelley will likely have voted for it, so if you choose a small field for your end of year event then it is kind of what you'd expect. Rahm's comments do smack a touch of a player in the top 20 elite. That said, it does feel like the winners often come from the higher ranked players, but the rankings are catering for all placings, not just the winner.

An interesting stat though-
Winner of Korn Ferry Albertsons Boise Open - 20 points
Winner of DPWT Tour Championship - 22 points

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I think the option finish top is a big part of it. Have said before I think it is wrong that points from majors are included, they've effectively doubled up in the two OOMs - and over half his points are from them. But he didn't make the rules, so not his fault.
Have actually popped a few sheckles on him, these limited field no cut events seem to be his wheelhouse of late ?

But IMO the really big, important question for this thread is...
For how long will you be referring to "The European Tour" ? ??☺?

Is it a protest? ? I think we should be told.

It was always be the European Tour for me ?

 

[Deleted member 21445]

I think it suits the LIV case to highlight the criticism of the Saudi regime, and so be able to highlight other field of golf taking money from Saudi, and other questionable middle east states.
This is because they it distracts from the real problem that the Saudis have caused with this venture : a cleaving of the top world golfers into two camps. This is what is problematic, damaging to golf entertainment, and why we have our knife, only metaphorically in this case, in LIV. They have no defense for the damage they have done here. They do on the hypocrisy of the source of the money. But not on the damage to the quality of golf entertainment.

Liv did nothing wrong in starting a new tour.
PGAT do not own golf.
It's simply a business challenging another business.

The PGA Tours stance has also contributed to where we have ended up #fact

As John Rahm said today it was a mistake not talking to Liv right at the start when they held all the cards.
No players had left at that point.
Their arrogance and misplaced confidence that no one of any note would leave their tour was a big mistake.

To say its all down to Liv because they had the audacity to take on the biggest tour head on and simply offer their employees an alternative employment with an offer of extra money is wrong because that happens in every other industry so why should golf be any different?

We are where we are due to actions on both sides.

 

[cleveland52]

Jon Rahm not mincing his words

OWGR seems to be losing more credibility with every passing week

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592902815453618177

Like the man said......"The system is based on math. No one cares what Jon Rahm thinks or how he feels.

OWGR points are based on more things than how many top twenty players are in the field.

If that were the case, a rogue tour could buy OWGR, right!?!

For example: five of the top ten players in the world playing against 38 high schoolers would be different than the same top ten players playing against 134 pgatour Pros.

 

[cleveland52]

Liv did nothing wrong in starting a new tour.
PGAT do not own golf.
It's simply a business challenging another business.

The PGA Tours stance has also contributed to where we have ended up #fact

As John Rahm said today it was a mistake not talking to Liv right at the start when they held all the cards.
No players had left at that point.
Their arrogance and misplaced confidence that no one of any note would leave their tour was a big mistake.

To say its all down to Liv because they had the audacity to take on the biggest tour head on and simply offer their employees an alternative employment with an offer of extra money is wrong because that happens in every other industry so why should golf be any different?

We are where we are due to actions on both sides.

And where re we today? LIV with a fledgling Series and the PGATOUR doing just fine......Again, LIV desperately needs the Tour to Poach players, the Tour do not need LIV golf.