LIV Golf

[Ian_George]

The role of the Official World Golf Ranking company has never been more front and centre. Prior to LIV, they were just some people at Wentworth who did a load of maths to decide who was best. We knew there were doing it but we didn't really think about how they did it.

Now we have to think about what their purpose is. Should the OWGR continuously review and develop their system to reflect golf, however it is being played; or should they set the terms for how it must be played if you want to be ranked? Personally, I'd prefer it if they were impartial and ranked all pro golfers, regardless of tour. However, given that they are 100% owned and funded by USGA, R&A, ANGC, PGAT and DPWT, I don't think that's very likely.

Maybe it's time for a rival ranking organisation, with commercial sponsorship, that's independent of any of the tours.

I'm not sure that's where the work was done, but it is where the OWGR company is based.

There ARE independent rankings performed - that even include LIV golfers. datagolf.com is one of them. But these also use different attributes and weightings, so are not directly comparable.

But part of the acceptance for a tour to be eligible for OWGR points to be allocated is a conformity to a number of 'standards' to ensure the accuracy of the rankings across the many tours. LIV doesn't conform to a number of those, so their results aren't included.

FWIW, including LIV tournaments doesn't make a huge difference to the slide of LIV players as the format and frequency of play means most of them are still slipping down the rankings! As per most LIV utterings, it's the disruption that counts - and it's conforming to its 'golf but louder' approach! Access to PGAT and DPWT events for LIV players would allow them to gain more points, but that's not going to happen any time soon as the legal process is drawn out - and goes against the claimed reasons many of the original 'defectors' moved in the first place!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The role of the Official World Golf Ranking company has never been more front and centre. Prior to LIV, they were just some people at Wentworth who did a load of maths to decide who was best. We knew there were doing it but we didn't really think about how they did it.

Now we have to think about what their purpose is. Should the OWGR continuously review and develop their system to reflect golf, however it is being played; or should they set the terms for how it must be played if you want to be ranked? Personally, I'd prefer it if they were impartial and ranked all pro golfers, regardless of tour. However, given that they are 100% owned and funded by USGA, R&A, ANGC, PGAT and DPWT, I don't think that's very likely.

Maybe it's time for a rival ranking organisation, with commercial sponsorship, that's independent of any of the tours.

The OWGR will ultimately created by the major governing bodies to help them sort out who they invited into the majors

It wasn’t there to figure out who is “the best”

As time Elapsed the other tours etc wanted to also use the rankings to help them decide on entry as well

All the tours and majors agreed on what criteria to be used

Now if LIV want to follow the same process and use the rankings for entry ( ? ) , then it’s simple - follow the same process as all the other tours

If they don’t then no ranking points

I really don’t see why it’s such an issue

 

[Backsticks]

The OWGR will ultimately created by the major governing bodies to help them sort out who they invited into the majors

It wasn’t there to figure out who is “the best”

As time Elapsed the other tours etc wanted to also use the rankings to help them decide on entry as well

All the tours and majors agreed on what criteria to be used

Now if LIV want to follow the same process and use the rankings for entry ( ? ) , then it’s simple - follow the same process as all the other tours

If they don’t then no ranking points

I really don’t see why it’s such an issue

Its an issue because the majors all need to ensure they have the best golfers in the world in their field. Their entire existance as majors depends upon it. So their current filter mechanism is no longer up to the job.

There is no real owgr these days, until they adapt to the changed landscape, and make it credible again. It means nothing today.

 

[Imurg]

Its an issue because the majors all need to ensure they have the best golfers in the world in their field. Their entire existance as majors depends upon it. So their current filter mechanism is no longer up to the job.

There is no real owgr these days, until they adapt to the changed landscape, and make it credible again. It means nothing today.

Why does OWGR have to change to accommodate LIV?
Every other tour that gets points has based their structure around complying with OWGR
LIV are the ones who should change if they want to get points.

 

[Blue in Munich]

The role of the Official World Golf Ranking company has never been more front and centre. Prior to LIV, they were just some people at Wentworth who did a load of maths to decide who was best. We knew there were doing it but we didn't really think about how they did it.

Now we have to think about what their purpose is. Should the OWGR continuously review and develop their system to reflect golf, however it is being played; or should they set the terms for how it must be played if you want to be ranked? Personally, I'd prefer it if they were impartial and ranked all pro golfers, regardless of tour. However, given that they are 100% owned and funded by USGA, R&A, ANGC, PGAT and DPWT, I don't think that's very likely.

Maybe it's time for a rival ranking organisation, with commercial sponsorship, that's independent of any of the tours.

Bankrolled by the Saudis presumably, as the other tours have one in place & it makes little financial sense to them to pay for a second.

 

[Blue in Munich]

I wonder if the NBA ever adjusted their rankings to accommodate the Harlem Globetrotters? No, didn't think so.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Its an issue because the majors all need to ensure they have the best golfers in the world in their field. Their entire existance as majors depends upon it. So their current filter mechanism is no longer up to the job.

There is no real owgr these days, until they adapt to the changed landscape, and make it credible again. It means nothing today.

It means everything to all the majors and the tours that fulfill the criteria ?‍

They have shown no inkling to make any changes to suit one single tour of 48 golfers

If that one single tour wants to be a part of it then it knows what it needs to do ?‍

Things don’t change to suit 1% - the 1% adjusts to adapt

 

[Deleted member 29109]

If the majors don’t ban LiV players just because they are LiV players. Are there any LiV players worth having outside those who are already eligible?

And presumably, if there is no outright ban. If the LiV players are as good as some would have use believing. They will have no problem getting through local qualifying where available.

 

[Deleted member 1418]

If the majors don’t ban LiV players just because they are LiV players. Are there any LiV players worth having outside those who are already eligible?

No; not even the golfing legend that is Pat Perez..............!!

 

[Bdill93]

If the majors don’t ban LiV players just because they are LiV players. Are there any LiV players worth having outside those who are already eligible?

And presumably, if there is no outright ban. If the LiV players are as good as some would have use believing. They will have no problem getting through local qualifying where available.

Big fat no in my eyes

 

[Mel Smooth]

Why does OWGR have to change to accommodate LIV?
Every other tour that gets points has based their structure around complying with OWGR
LIV are the ones who should change if they want to get points.

Why shouldn’t they?

Surely a flexible and accurate ranking system is better than and restrictive one.

Preventing LIV having ranking points becomes increasingly linked towards preventing LIV, so it would seem.

 

[Dando]

Why shouldn’t they?

Surely a flexible and accurate ranking system is better than and restrictive one.

Preventing LIV having ranking points becomes increasingly linked towards preventing LIV, so it would seem.

blah, blah, blah

 

[Bdill93]

422 pages in and we are still talking about OGWR

 

[Dando]

422 pages in and we are still talking about OGWR

that dead horse has been well and truly flogged

 

[Imurg]

Why shouldn’t they?

Surely a flexible and accurate ranking system is better than and restrictive one.

Preventing LIV having ranking points becomes increasingly linked towards preventing LIV, so it would seem.

And, once again, the magnitude of the arrogance of everything LIV never fails to live up to expectations......

 

[Bdill93]

Anyone going to attend LIV's UK event next year? Assuming we get one....

 

[Imurg]

Are they giving away 50 quid tickets for nothing?

 

[LincolnShep]

blah, blah, blah

Excellent point. Have you ever considered running for parliament?

 

[Bdill93]

Are they giving away 50 quid tickets for nothing?

Would you go if they were?

I think id pay to go back next year... had a great time

 

[Dando]

Excellent point. Have you ever considered running for parliament?

the same old bull poo from him is getting very tedious