LIV Golf

[Deleted member 21445]

8.23
The players on tour are playing for a lot more money.
It's great that the PGA Tour magically found 200 million
?
Phil M on how Liv is changing the landscape of professional golf.

It's still very fractured right now, a solution for both tours to work best for golf overall still seems a long way off to me..

 

[Backsticks]

It's still very fractured right now, a solution for both tours to work best for golf overall still seems a long way off to me..

Im not sure. At the moment, it looks like the pgat has weathered the assault. It has lost 5 players. It still has the significant majority of the worlds top 30, where the quality of a tour is defined. If it felt it has stemmed the flow to Saudi, and the remainers are safe, helped by the changes, and also by the fact that the pgat looks like being the winning side currently, then it has no need to talk or work with LIV. In fact distancing and isolating them makes their seccession look like a one off that will just run out of steam and credible players.

For now, the PGAT has held, and it isnt clear what LIV can do other than up the offers to the likes of Sheffler, Rory, JT, Spieth, Rahm, etc, but given their strong feelings and entrenchment, there is no evidence that would swing them.

Picking off lesser players in the 50-100 range over time would cement LIVs position as second division, or as a pre-champions tour of has beens if the recruits are simply replacements for the likes of Poulter as they wind out in a few years time. If they cant crack another half dozen of the top 20, the Saudis have failed. Whether they will then keep going as an effective failure or second division, hard to tell at this early stage.

 

[Swango1980]

Well here's the actual truth, some players may have retired, some may have joined the DP world tour - some may have even got drugs bans, but if LIV hadn't been created, they definitely would have lost their cards - regardless of those factors.

Hopefully that makes sense to you.

It does make sense. I was agreeing with you, in that those 6 players will be delighted.

I was simply saying that it is a bit embarrassing if LIV supporters are suggesting this is another positive for LIV. It is tough to suggest one of the goals of LIV was to provide more chances for poor performing golfers on the PGA Tour, by removing some of the better performing golfers

 

[Yorkshire Hacker]

Surely the real answer will be to see how many large companies wish to continue sponsoring important USPGA events NEXT YEAR.
If they continue, then I can't see the USPGA being greatly affected by LIV.

 

[evemccc]

Surely the real answer will be to see how many large companies wish to continue sponsoring important USPGA events NEXT YEAR.
If they continue, then I can't see the USPGA being greatly affected by LIV.

Corporate America loves golf, and I think Americans and those in the US golf-media are almost affronted by their tour being challenged and potentially usurped by a foreign rival

I strongly think that corporate America and the US golf establishment will come out strongly in continued sponsorships and robust support for the PGA Tour

 

[Deleted member 21445]

Corporate America loves golf, and I think Americans and those in the US golf-media are almost affronted by their tour being challenged and potentially usurped by a foreign rival

I strongly think that corporate America and the US golf establishment will come out strongly in continued sponsorships and robust support for the PGA Tour

Agree.....

 

[Jacko_G]

Corporate America loves golf, and I think Americans and those in the US golf-media are almost affronted by their tour being challenged and potentially usurped by a foreign rival

I strongly think that corporate America and the US golf establishment will come out strongly in continued sponsorships and robust support for the PGA Tour

Or they'll just continue to act like the spoiled brat school bully and threaten other tours.

https://www.si.com/golf/news/pga-to...golf-tour-players-who-compete-liv-golf-events

 

[IanM]

Or they'll just continue to act like the spoiled brat school bully and threaten other tours.

https://www.si.com/golf/news/pga-to...golf-tour-players-who-compete-liv-golf-events

If you resigned from the Tour, you've resigned from the Tour.

 

[evemccc]

Or they'll just continue to act like the spoiled brat school bully and threaten other tours.

https://www.si.com/golf/news/pga-to...golf-tour-players-who-compete-liv-golf-events

I would say ‘And’ - rather than ‘Or’

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Or they'll just continue to act like the spoiled brat school bully and threaten other tours.

https://www.si.com/golf/news/pga-to...golf-tour-players-who-compete-liv-golf-events

Can’t see the issue with that

If players want to play on the LIV tour then play on it - if other tours want to ban those players then that should be there right. The LIV Tour doesn’t allow everyone to play so why should other tours

 

[IanM]

The LIV Tour doesn’t allow everyone to play so why should other tours

Cos I'll tell my dad and he's bigger than your dad!

 

[Backsticks]

Cos I'll tell my dad and he's bigger than your dad!

There is quite a hypocritical note through the Saudi players saying why cant we play on all tours, when LIV is the one that limits to the smallest field at 54, the smallest list of players eligible to play in any of its events, and is effectively an invitational tour.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Can't see the issue? It's like saying to another bloke "I don't like the guy who has invited you to the pub. I fact if you decide to go for a drink with that guy me and you can no longer be friends"
Doesn't make the pga look good at all.

Yes I can’t see the issue with the PGA tour banning players who want to play on the LIV tour from playing in PGA Tour run events

It really is that simple. Players can make the choice - play on the LIV or play on the PGA

 

[BubbaP]

Im not sure. At the moment, it looks like the pgat has weathered the assault. It has lost 5 players. It still has the significant majority of the worlds top 30, where the quality of a tour is defined. If it felt it has stemmed the flow to Saudi, and the remainers are safe, helped by the changes, and also by the fact that the pgat looks like being the winning side currently, then it has no need to talk or work with LIV. In fact distancing and isolating them makes their seccession look like a one off that will just run out of steam and credible players.

For now, the PGAT has held, and it isnt clear what LIV can do other than up the offers to the likes of Sheffler, Rory, JT, Spieth, Rahm, etc, but given their strong feelings and entrenchment, there is no evidence that would swing them.

Picking off lesser players in the 50-100 range over time would cement LIVs position as second division, or as a pre-champions tour of has beens if the recruits are simply replacements for the likes of Poulter as they wind out in a few years time. If they cant crack another half dozen of the top 20, the Saudis have failed. Whether they will then keep going as an effective failure or second division, hard to tell at this early stage.

Agree with current assessment of where majority of top 30 are. Many of those have the best 'deals' currently as is and so potentially the most to lose on what is still to a degree a gamble.
Do think there is still time before January for some more moves though. What we don't know is what they consider success is for each of first few years.

Obviously there has been a shed load of spin (from both sides), and the below could definitely fit that - it comes from the same article Phil probably took the possible schedule from.

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The biggest reason the schedule is still fluid, according to Norman, is because of LIV Golf's rapid growth.

The 2023 season was originally penciled in as a beta test, but that plan was scrapped as LIV Golf opted to create a 14-event season.

“Because of the success of the product, and because of the success of players wanting to sign on with us, and believe me, our list is not what we have here today, our list is deep,” Norman said. ”We got three more today that want to sign. And so, our success of our product and nine rounds of golf, accelerated the process of 'OK, next year, we're going to launch.'”

 

[Deleted member 21445]

Agree..

Once you pick a tour you stick to that tour..

Until a time comes where both tours coexist. (IF IT HAPPENS)

Do think all professional Golfers regardless of which tour you play on should have a way to qualify for the Majors.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Agree..

Once you pick a tour you stick to that tour..

Until a time comes where both tours coexist. (IF IT HAPPENS)

Do think all professional Golfers regardless of which tour you play on should have a way to qualify for the Majors.

The players will have ways to play in the majors - mainly through qualifying events or ranking points , and LIV putting their money behind the Asia Tour will help their playing get a level of ranking points. But the big players that have moved over all have exemptions already

 

[Deleted member 21445]

We all love golf on here.
We all like watching top pro golfers show off their skills.
The PGA Tour has always provided that ?
The Fed Ex was awesome and I watched pretty much every minute

While that's not on just be open to giving Liv a watch just purely for the golf.

11 Holes to go, the cream is rising to the top, Cam Smith making a run, DJ looking solid 1 off the lead, Niemann leading.
Our own Lee Westwood - 6 for the day 2 off the lead.
Great crowds and atmosphere.
And the massive underdogs Ironheads are unexpectingly leading the team competition slightly ahead of serial winners the 4 Aces.

If not then fine don't watch, no need to comment with anything nasty.

Im enjoying it, some great golf on display on a lovely scenic golf course.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

We all love golf on here.
We all like watching top pro golfers show off their skills.
The PGA Tour has always provided that ?
The Fed Ex was awesome and I watched pretty much every minute

While that's not on just be open to giving Liv a watch just purely for the golf.

11 Holes to go, the cream is rising to the top, Cam Smith making a run, DJ looking solid 1 off the lead, Niemann leading.
Great crowds and atmosphere.
And the massive underdogs Ironheads are unexpectingly leading the team competition slightly ahead of serial winners the 4 Aces.

If not then fine don't watch, no need to comment with anything nasty.

Im enjoying it, some great golf on display on a lovely scenic golf course.

So basically those players that were top players on the PGA are still top players now ?‍
So it’s the same as your standard PGA event

And it’s not a surprise that those players who have just come away from a highly competitive tournament and still have that edge are doing well

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Agree..

Once you pick a tour you stick to that tour..

Until a time comes where both tours coexist. (IF IT HAPPENS)

Do think all professional Golfers regardless of which tour you play on should have a way to qualify for the Majors.

Not just pick a tour, but sign a contract to abide by its rules

 

[Deleted member 21445]

So basically those players that were top players on the PGA are still top players now ?‍
So it’s the same as your standard PGA event

And it’s not a surprise that those players who have just come away from a highly competitive tournament and still have that edge are doing well

They are top players on any tour.
Why does any Liv post have to be construed as a dig at the PGA?
I like both tours, both bring something different.

16 players within 4 shots of the lead so anyone can make a run.
Our very own Westwood is - 6 for the day and now just 2 off the lead