LIV Golf

[YandaB]

Brooks K and other players emphatically said that was not true in one of the press conferences.

They aren't all necessarily on the same contract, certainly the values differ, clauses may too.

 

[Deleted member 21445]

Very similar to the Brooks K response at the US Open?

Just say no if you haven't already signed as reported..

 

[Backsticks]

. The series has already created global interest.

The series, as in the golf, has created limited to no interest. For the three tournaments so far, it is a complete failure. They will claim, early days, acorns, etc, to spin that lack of interest.

The interest, such as it is, is generated by the PGAT v Saudi Golf Tour contest. That is a spectator sport, and the golf world is tuned in to see where it goes.

But nobody is excited about 54 holes and Schwarzel 'winning' again if it can even be called a victory. Nor seeing Phil who is in demo or Champions tour mode, and no longer relevant to top flight golf.

 

[Mel Smooth]

The series, as in the golf, has created limited to no interest. For the three tournaments so far, it is a complete failure. They will claim, early days, acorns, etc, to spin that lack of interest.

The interest, such as it is, is generated by the PGAT v Saudi Golf Tour contest. That is a spectator sport, and the golf world is tuned in to see where it goes.

But nobody is excited about 54 holes and Schwarzel 'winning' again if it can even be called a victory. Nor seeing Phil who is in demo or Champions tour mode, and no longer relevant to top flight golf.

How much interest has "the golf" created on the PGA Tour since The Open, apart from Finau managing to win a couple of events there hasn't been a headline, and that wasn't down the the golf, it was down to Finau seemingly ending his run of perpetual inability to convert his ability into wins - albeit against very average fields.
That's the nature of the sport.
The nature of Formula 1 makes it pretty much an exhibition sport - but it's popularity golbally is undeniable.

I'm not denying there's interest around LIV because of the sitaution with the PGA Tour, thanks to the actions of the Commisioner. Maybe if he'd taken that call from GN, LIV wouldn't have got the airtime it has, the players wouldn't have seen a need to take the money on the table, and the PGA would be as strong as ever.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

How much interest has "the golf" created on the PGA Tour since The Open, apart from Finau managing to win a couple of events there hasn't been a headline, and that wasn't down the the golf, it was down to Finau seemingly ending his run of perpetual inability to convert his ability into wins - albeit against very average fields.
That's the nature of the sport.
The nature of Formula 1 makes it pretty much an exhibition sport - but it's popularity golbally is undeniable.

I'm not denying there's interest around LIV because of the sitaution with the PGA Tour, thanks to the actions of the Commisioner. Maybe if he'd taken that call from GN, LIV wouldn't have got the airtime it has, the players wouldn't have seen a need to take the money on the table, and the PGA would be as strong as ever.

Can you even look or understand that the issues aren’t all down to the PGA ?

I said a while back that LIV and their bots spend all day and every day pointing fingers at the PGAT and Monahan - have they even considered that they have caused a lot of issues that are happening right now ?

Apart from Mickleson how many golfers were complaining about the PGAT ? How many fans were bothered by Monahan wage ? Players only getting paid when they succeed? The events where some top players don’t play ?

No one -

it’s only LIV and their very well placed bots on social media creating issues

The other day someone made a claim about the PGA tour telling 3 Japanese players that if they played in the Singapore Open then they would be banned from a Zazoo Event on Asian Tour - it was all nonsense , no substance behind it and PGA stated it was clearly false - but all these new “LIV” shouted it loud enough people believed it and then once again fingers pointed towards the tour

LIV and their social media fans are playing a huge part in all the issues , they are using social media and all these accounts to create more mess - instead of them pointing fingers they need to look at themselves

 

[RRidges]

So does that mean that for LIV events, you dont actually 'win' any money, so may as well lose ?
Or is it a sort of indentured slavery, where you must win what you have been paid up front, however long that takes. The quicker you 'win' that sum back, the quicker you buy your freedom ?

Perhaps. But I'm more inclined to think it more likely that a portion of their winnings is held back against the 'guarantee' - as opposed to 'all' or 'none'. And also to be noted is the qualifier 'some players'. So unless all the contracts are made available, which won't happen, or a (disenchanted?) player makes an announcement, the arrangements will remain private.

 

[Springveldt]

Very similar to the Brooks K response at the US Open?

Just say no if you haven't already signed as reported..

I'll be amazed if he doesn't join LIV now with how he's answering the question.

 

[RRidges]

Seems a few of the LIV bots aren’t doing any updates this morning after the court case

Judge was very critical of LIV , was very clear that there is no damage to the players if they are banned and that PGA isn’t “monopolised” the sport and as she said if LIV claim they have 20% of the golf market how can PGA have the monopoly ?‍

Can see last being a bit of a green light moment for PGA and majors and ET to bring in the bans

And obviously the fact that the contract players aren’t playing for any prize money as such ??? so it’s pretty much an exhibition for them

Also the main court case may not start for 3 years

What makes you thing the Judge was 'very critical' of LIV? I believe she simply ruled on its merits. The late filing seems to have actually hurt LIV's case. And her and defendent statement about the necessity for a TRO as opposed to 'relief' in the later case is certainly valid.
I don't think Robert Walker will be LIV's attorney for the main case - that will only be delayed if the lawyers don't accept the timeline - as he made a number of obvious blunders!

 

[RRidges]

Can someone just clarify: Are LIV golfers not getting any prize money, until the total prize money increases beyond their sign on fee? Is that a fact now?

If true, it is clear evidence that LIV representatives lied through their teeth, as they were adamant this was NOT the case when reporters where asking the question a month or so ago. Furthermore, it really removed much of the competitive element entirely. Some on here argued that of course there was competition when they were competing for that sort of money. However, they are not really, if they've already payed up front, regardless of how they play. Some might feel they'll only ever play in 7 or so events, and will never win enough to exceed that sign on fee. Then you look at Phil Mickleson, how long is it going to take him to win more than $200 million in prize money? The way he is playing, and the time he has at playing at a high level (which has already past anyway), it is incredibly unlikely he'd ever win that amount, to start getting additional funds on top of that sign on fee. So, if the above is true, no wonder he is just hacking his way around the course every week.

The statement mentioned 'some'. So maybe not all, and maybe not all prize money is being offset. Unless the contracts are made public, which won't happen, we'll never know.
But the LIV statement in reply to the suggestion was clearly misleading at best.

 

[RRidges]

Not sure I'd agree with the last point, if LIV can take top proffesional golfers and get them playing regular events across the continents, that has to have a positive knock on effect for golf in general. The series has already created global interest - and it looks like there will be 3 events in Oz, 1 x LIV event and 2 x Asian Tour events.

Effectively 'buying' the Asian Tour was a smart move by the Saudis!
Though it would be pretty severe for those LIV players that chose LIV because of the reduction in travelling!

 

[Deleted member 21445]

I'll be amazed if he doesn't join LIV now with how he's answering the question.

It would seem to be a done deal from the reports and his refusal to deny said reports.

Next one under the spotlight will be Hideki Matsuyama who is also heavily linked with already having signed for Liv.

The full transfers wont happen till after the presidents cup or they wont play their 1st Liv event till after the Presidents Cup.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1557177455143690241

 

[rksquire]

I 'watched' the live feed for the hearing last night, both sides legal eagles made quite a few factual mistakes picked up by other outlets but the 'spirit' of what they were trying to achieve came across; the judge did appear to soften slightly as it went on but ultimately found the remuneration the 3 had already received from LIV easily offset the need to participate in the playoffs; "Irreparable harm" could not be demonstrated (as if it ever could have been). However, she did confirm the larger case had merit and there are antitrust questions to be answer. The PGAT legals also recognised LIV as "competing effectively". There's a bit to go, but if the PGAT can stop, say, Smith, Cantlay and Hovland as examples, signing for LIV, that could stem any momentum LIV had as an attractive alternative (and just about ensure the "best players in the world" nonsense has some merit - the Fed Ex Playoffs does not have the best 125 players in the world competing, no matter how you look at it... it has most, but that's a slightly different statement).

As punishment for the trio who sought the TRO, the PGAT should welcome them back and ask them to grow the game for a year as part of their PGA Tour China (no awkward human rights question to answer with that expansion.....).

 

[Blue in Munich]

Ok, Inadmit I cannot be bothered to read the previous pages, but is the anti LIV arguement because it’s a Saudi thing or because they wanted to have their own piece of the golf tour pie?
Dont the Saudis invest heavily in the LET, as well as other global sports (F1 for starters)?
I wouldn’t say PGA tour was that benevolent either, deliberately ignoring the European tour(again, heavily sponsored by Arabic money)

Perhaps they should all co exist and when one of them realises they need to change then compromise might happen.

Not necessarily anything to do with the Saudis for me. Personally I'm not interested in watching limited fields of past their best golfers in a contrived matchplay format. The graphics & commentary on what little I have watched remind me of The Hundred in cricket; flashy graphics and motormouth commentators spouting BS to appeal those of a limited attention span. Nothing about the product much appeals to me, and anything that gets Trump's endorsement is worth avoiding for me. Add the porkies told about the reasons for joining and there's nothing about the product that appeals to me. And the icing on the cake are the various legal actions.

There is absolutely no chance of co-existence whilst Greg Norman is at the helm in my opinion; he apparently feels slighted by the PGA Tour and seems determined to right that wrong by bringing them down

 

[Reemul]

Not necessarily anything to do with the Saudis for me. Personally I'm not interested in watching limited fields of past their best golfers in a contrived matchplay format. The graphics & commentary on what little I have watched remind me of The Hundred in cricket; flashy graphics and motormouth commentators spouting BS to appeal those of a limited attention span. Nothing about the product much appeals to me, and anything that gets Trump's endorsement is worth avoiding for me. Add the porkies told about the reasons for joining and there's nothing about the product that appeals to me. And the icing on the cake are the various legal actions.

There is absolutely no chance of co-existence whilst Greg Norman is at the helm in my opinion; he apparently feels slighted by the PGA Tour and seems determined to right that wrong by bringing them down

I'm off to the hundered in a few weeks, it's great fun it's accessible, the kids love it the crowds are great even the wife is coming along. There is always the odd miserable fart who can't stomach any sort of change, it's understandable but it's no reason to not try different things, we can always move on without them...

 

[Barking_Mad]

I'm off to the hundered in a few weeks, it's great fun it's accessible, the kids love it the crowds are great even the wife is coming along. There is always the odd miserable fart who can't stomach any sort of change, it's understandable but it's no reason to not try different things, we can always move on without them...

Hundred is propped up at Yorkshire with lots of free tickets. Probably elsewhere too. Sounds familiar...

 

[Blue in Munich]

I'm off to the hundered in a few weeks, it's great fun it's accessible, the kids love it the crowds are great even the wife is coming along. There is always the odd miserable fart who can't stomach any sort of change, it's understandable but it's no reason to not try different things, we can always move on without them...

Going to it is one thing; you are probably spared the inane waffle that is Kevin Pietersen. Watching it on the box with the hideous graphics is quite another.

As for your odd miserable old fart comment, you embarrass yourself; if you have to resort to insults to make your case then you haven't got one. I'm quite happy watching T20 without the graphics and the verbal diarrhoea; it's the TV presentation I have the issue with, not the cricket.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Not necessarily anything to do with the Saudis for me. Personally I'm not interested in watching limited fields of past their best golfers in a contrived matchplay format. The graphics & commentary on what little I have watched remind me of The Hundred in cricket; flashy graphics and motormouth commentators spouting BS to appeal those of a limited attention span. Nothing about the product much appeals to me, and anything that gets Trump's endorsement is worth avoiding for me. Add the porkies told about the reasons for joining and there's nothing about the product that appeals to me. And the icing on the cake are the various legal actions.

There is absolutely no chance of co-existence whilst Greg Norman is at the helm in my opinion; he apparently feels slighted by the PGA Tour and seems determined to right that wrong by bringing them down

I confess, what little I did see of the first event didn't make me want more, and like you an invitation field isn't what I want to watch. I haven't bothered to get into the arguements between all the different parties, my life is too full and busy for that, but I wouldn't be suprised if falsehoods and counter claims were flying about, especially where money is concerned.
The Hundred, I get your point, but it has put cricket ( or a form of it) into a family/kids enviroment that hopefully will mean more boys and girls taking up the game. I know my wife is more interested in the Hundred, than say an ODI or Test match. But I do see your point, and have some agreement with you on it.
We watch it on BBC, so are Peterson free

 

[RRidges]

Interesting and seemingly unbiased article here. https://www.golfdigest.com/story/pg...il-mickelson-rory-mcilroy-tv-streaming-rights

 

[Oddsocks]

Apparent Cam Percy had been reported missing…….