LIV Golf

[Deleted member 15344]

The OWGR panel will do what will be best for the Majors, ultimately, in the context of this topic - that's what matters. Do you honestly beleive that the majors won't want some of the best players in the world able to play, and bring in the commercial interest that they generate?

The OWGR will do what they think is best for the sport not just the majors - the OWGR are more than just entry into the majors

And the majors will be more than fine without a handful of players if they are unable to qualify.

They certainly won’t be giving them the same level of points as standard tour events.

As someone has alluded to because of the majority being invited only then it’s not right that events have points when majority of the golfers have no way of entering the event.

And just because LiV is all about money doesn’t mean the majors will be thinking just about commercial interest

The qualifying for the majors may change but it won’t be to favour LIV - if anything the chances it could be the other way.

 

[RRidges]

I'm not really following that, the OWGR have a set of algorithms based on the rankings in a field - not sure how relevant it is how the field was made up.
I think they risk being seen as petty if the don't allow any points, and agree with LPhil that more likely they just find ways to keep the total points low and maybe only given to the top few singles scores.

Well, first LIV has to be invited to participate, which might be tricky given the apparent attitudes of those who make that that decision/invite. There maybe rules - existing or created - that would exclude LIV, particularly the lack of a 36-hole cut. 54 Holes is acceptable for tournaments where 1st place is less than 12 points. So that'll severely limit the points available to LIV events. The obscene LIV prize money is irrelevant within those constraints, as it's position that matters.
It doesn't actually look a very good situation for LIV's OWGR aspirations! So Asian Tour, which Saudi 'owns' could well be the route for those that are hunting points. Even that will be tough as it's not a particularly high ranking tour and the presence of multiple LIV players could work against 'the group'. If they stagger involvement, the pressure on individual performance is magnified.

 

[Mel Smooth]

The OWGR will do what they think is best for the sport not just the majors - the OWGR are more than just entry into the majors

And the majors will be more than fine without a handful of players if they are unable to qualify.

They certainly won’t be giving them the same level of points as standard tour events.

As someone has alluded to because of the majority being invited only then it’s not right that events have points when majority of the golfers have no way of entering the event.

And just because LiV is all about money doesn’t mean the majors will be thinking just about commercial interest

The qualifying for the majors may change but it won’t be to favour LIV - if anything the chances it could be the other way.

From memory, I think the qualification school will be open to any major winners, top 75 in the world, plus the route through the Asian Tour etc, so there are definitely plenty of ways for golfers to enter the event.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

From memory, I think the qualification school will be open to any major winners, top 75 in the world, plus the route through the Asian Tour etc, so there are definitely plenty of ways for golfers to enter the event.

For 3 or 4 spots ?

So a major winner can only play on the tour if they go through full qualifying yet likes of Howell and Kokrak regardless of performance will play every event because they were invited and paid

Not really true qualfiying is it

 

[Backsticks]

The OWGR will do what they think is best for the sport not just the majors - the OWGR are more than just entry into the majors

And the majors will be more than fine without a handful of players if they are unable to qualify.

They certainly won’t be giving them the same level of points as standard tour events.

As someone has alluded to because of the majority being invited only then it’s not right that events have points when majority of the golfers have no way of entering the event.

And just because LiV is all about money doesn’t mean the majors will be thinking just about commercial interest

The qualifying for the majors may change but it won’t be to favour LIV - if anything the chances it could be the other way.

The majors are not bound to the owgr. The will invite / exempt entry, to whoever they like and according to whatever criteria they define. The concern about the owgr and access to majors is a complete red herring.

 

[Backsticks]

What's the deal with R Fowler ? Anyone know why he hasn't turned Saudi. I would have thought him a prime candidate.

 

[Backsticks]

And the majors will be more than fine without a handful of players if they are unable to qualify.

They would be second class major wins, compared to the full monty field ones that have been contested up to now.
But I have no fear on that any major will ever have a sub quality field due to missing players to the Saudis. The will all, always, in all majors, be there.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The majors are not bound to the owgr. The will invite / exempt entry, to whoever they like and according to whatever criteria they define. The concern about the owgr and access to majors is a complete red herring.

Right now one of the entry criteria to all the majors is via the world rankings and it’s been that way for decades - that won’t change , it has no need to.

And it’s currently without exemptions the only way for the players on the LIV tour to gain entry into the majors because none of their events have any qualifying status

They would be second class major wins, compared to the full month field ones that have been contested up to now.
But I have no fear on that any major will ever have a sub quality field due to missing players to the Saudis. The will all, always, in all majors, be there.

They won’t be second class wins - just because a handful of players missing won’t mean any win is second class by any stretch.

 

[Backsticks]

Right now one of the entry criteria to all the majors is via the world rankings and it’s been that way for decades - that won’t change , it has no need to.

It has to if it would otherwise exclude any more than a handful of golfers who should be there. Their whole point is to find the greatest of the great.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It has to if it would otherwise exclude any more than a handful of golfers who should be there. Their whole point is to find the greatest of the great.

It doesn’t have too -those handful still have the chance to qualify for all the majors ?‍

 

[Backsticks]

They won’t be second class wins - just because a handful of players missing won’t mean any win is second class by any stretch.

Unless you are beating the world, you aren't really a major winner. I would look on them as not really majors. It would be the end of majors as we know them. The majors themselves can't allow that. It is their raison d'etre. They will all get in. If 20 of the top 30 in the world go Saudi, the criteria will change to give them all invites up Magnolia Drive etc.

 

[Backsticks]

It doesn’t have too -those handful still have the chance to qualify for all the majors ?‍

A chance isn't good enough. They HAVE to have entry without additional obstacles or reduced chances of being filtered into it. Theoretical access itself would hobble the majors to sub standard tournaments.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

A chance isn't good enough. The HAVE to have entry without additional obstacles or reduced chances of being filtered into it. Theoretical access itself would hobble the majors to sub standard tournaments.

They don’t “have” to have entry at all - just like all the other golfers in the world they “earn” entry - they don’t get any special treatment , the entry is simple - world ranking , exemptions from winning , through a qualifying tournament - no special changes to suit a bunch of golfers who left tours today chase money

 

[Backsticks]

They don’t “have” to have entry at all - just like all the other golfers in the world they “earn” entry - they don’t get any special treatment , the entry is simple - world ranking , exemptions from winning , through a qualifying tournament - no special changes to suit a bunch of golfers who left tours today chase money

And top 20 on the Saudi money list. Then everyone is in. The majors just can't risk any question, on the week of their major "Why is x not here ? Why is y not here ?"

 

[Deleted member 21445]

People writing that OWGR points are crucial to Liv players and the majors are absolutely right and it happens far quicker than you think..

There is data out there now (Just Google it) if Liv Players don't play any OGWR tournaments between now & March 2023 all will be outside the top 100 and most outside the top 150.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

And top 20 on the Saudi money list. Then everyone is in. The majors just can't risk any question, on the week of their major "Why is x not here ? Why is y not here ?"

? Top 20 on Saudi Money list ???

wont ever happen ??

People writing that OWGR points are crucial to Liv players and the majors are absolutely right and it happens far quicker than you think..

There is data out there now (Just Google it) if Liv Players don't play any OGWR tournaments between now & March 2023 all will be outside the top 100 and most outside the top 150.

it is crucial - they aren’t going to get points for these events so I think you’re right that most will miss the majors next year apart from the players who exempt through winning previous majors

 

[Backsticks]

People writing that OWGR points are crucial to Liv players and the majors are absolutely right and it happens far quicker than you think..

There is data out there now (Just Google it) if Liv Players don't play any OGWR tournaments between now & March 2023 all will be outside the top 100 and most outside the top 150.

That just means the majors will have their exemption criteria amended very quickly. Being outside the top 150 poses no problem to any golfer in the top 50 today. They will be at all majors no matter.

 

[BubbaP]

What's the deal with R Fowler ? Anyone know why he hasn't turned Saudi. I would have thought him a prime candidate.

Maybe for his media & fans, but he's pals with Thomas & Spieth isn't he?
If playing this game, I was surprised Adam Scott wasn't in the first wave.

Feel like GN needs to land some high ranked Ozzies before the year is over..

 

[Ethan]

People writing that OWGR points are crucial to Liv players and the majors are absolutely right and it happens far quicker than you think..

There is data out there now (Just Google it) if Liv Players don't play any OGWR tournaments between now & March 2023 all will be outside the top 100 and most outside the top 150.

And then, by definition, they aren't the top players in the world anymore.

 

[Mel Smooth]

And then, by definition, they aren't the top players in the world anymore.

Or, the OWGR by definition, isn't a true World golf ranking....