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Err he is most reknowed for cheating on and off the golf course ? #trump
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Err he is most reknowed for cheating on and off the golf course ? #trump
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The key words in this 2023 announcement for me are "Established Team Franchises" from previously just saying teams
That could be suggesting Liv has the blue chip company's lined up to sponsor the teams next year as reported with the likes of Adidas, Red Bull and AT&T?
I guess we won't find out the 48 players until after the Presidents Cup at the end of September.
That could be suggesting Liv has the blue chip company's lined up to sponsor the teams next year as reported with the likes of Adidas, Red Bull and AT&T?
I guess we won't find out the 48 players until after the Presidents Cup at the end of September.
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Yeah have a look around and there are a number of events with reduced rounds etc but as you say lower level of points
I don’t think 54 holes is the issue - maybe it’s the cuts ?
Think ultimately they will get some level of ranking points but they will be quite low which will prob explain why they will be looking to play more events on the Asian Tour
Think there was no doubt that the money they were being given wouldn’t just mean playing 8 events a year - they will prob end up being Asian and LiV Tour players then any major they qualify for
Mel Smooth
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Interesting points from Steve Elkington in a video recorded a couple of days back, in that, it looks like the ‘signing on’ pot has been spent, so from 2024 the players of any ability that want to take part in LIV, will have to qualify to do so.
So LIV must have a field they’re happy with, how strong that field is, remains to be seen of course.
RRidges
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That doesn't change the validity of my comment. Grow and improve? Probably. But for an org with a major PR thrust through Twitter etc, it should not be making obvious foulups as frequently as it does.
I think you should look up the definition of 'hypocrite/hypocrisy'! Don't confuse it with 'hyper critical'!
Surely everyone can see this as a good thing, getting the youngsters involved ?
Mel Smooth
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Greens look a bit brown and that cricket answer was obviously staged for the video, cos nobody in the USA ever plays cricket ;-)
Seriously, I know stuff like this happens all the time, but it's great to see, wherever it is.
doublebogey7
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I don’t think 54 holes is the issue - maybe it’s the cuts ?
For me and I suspect for the OWGR, the lack of any sort of published qualifying criteria is the real sticking point.
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
I'm not really following that, the OWGR have a set of algorithms based on the rankings in a field - not sure how relevant it is how the field was made up.
I think they risk being seen as petty if the don't allow any points, and agree with LPhil that more likely they just find ways to keep the total points low and maybe only given to the top few singles scores.
Swango1980
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The technical issue is no problem at all. World Ranking Points could be distributed using the same mathematical process.
The issue is in how legitimate it would actually be? If there was an Invitational event, for example, with many of the worlds best players, then I'm guessing a high number of World Ranking Points would be on offer. However, if one or 2 of the world's best players were not invited, they would be at a disadvantage of not being able to get any of these points.
Let's say LIV attracts many high ranking players, and this gives out a decent amount of ranking points in an event. Meanwhile, there is a PGA event running in parallel with a couple of the best players (after also losing some to LIV). Does that mean the LIV players can reap in some decent ranking points, whereas McIlroy or Thomas get less for similar performances?
You can look at reverse of that also. If LIV still only has a sprinkle of the best players, it means any of the vastly inferior players in the small field could put a decent 3 rounds together and earn a decent amount of ranking points. Whereas better players could be playing on the PGA or European Tours in much larger fields, and struggling to keep their card, let alone earn ranking points.
If LIV was a tour that required qualification, then from a sporting aspect, fair enough. But, it is an Invitational, and it could easily distort the World Rankings if points were offered. It is easier to not award points for such an Invitational, and let the players decide if they still want to compete for their world ranking, or happy to compete in individual events for lots of money
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Being an Invitational doesn't stop WR points being awarded.....but some sort of qualification process to get into the event would be needed.
All the Tours, bar LIV so far, have qualifying comps to get on tour in the first place. Then qualification for certain events depends on your World or Tour ranking.
At the moment, LIV is purely invitational so it's hard to see how ranking points can be offered.
All the Tours, bar LIV so far, have qualifying comps to get on tour in the first place. Then qualification for certain events depends on your World or Tour ranking.
At the moment, LIV is purely invitational so it's hard to see how ranking points can be offered.
Mel Smooth
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They have qualification from 2024
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it’s not really qualifying though is it - opening it up to 4 people each year and also making it impossible for some not to be on tour because of the amount of money they are paid still keeps it well within invite only for 99% of the players
When it all comes together you can see why there is a chance they won’t get ranking points
But if they do then the amount will be very small
I don’t see the majors offering up spots from LIV tour events
So in 12 months time anyone not exempt imo won’t be playing in the majors
Mel Smooth
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You tube link if anybody wants to watch.
Mel Smooth
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Its a 48 man field, only the top 24 from 2023 are guaranteed to be in the series in 2024. How many from the PGA Tour are guaranteed - is it 125, from a field at an event of 156 or so?
Despite what you think, GN and his legal team will have a very carefully prepared case to justify OWGR points.
RRidges
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Into individual events? Or simply into the circus.
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Sorry but is there not only 4 spots open from qualifying ?
With 4 being “relegated” but it can’t be one of the guys they pay to be there or someone they deem that they need to stay up.
And there are 125 full tour cards - anyone below 125 in the money list loses their full tour card and there are lots more available from the KF tour , ET tour qualifying.
Any player from any recognised tour can attempt to qualify for the PGA tour.
There is also qualifying at times during the week for people to get into events
Im sure GN will think one thing - but doesn’t mean the OWGR panel will agree with him
Mel Smooth
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doublebogey7
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Then why is it part of the OWGR rules, would be my first point. Secondly no qualification criteria means that players who are invited have access to points that others don't have.
Mel Smooth
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The OWGR panel will do what will be best for the Majors, ultimately, in the context of this topic - that's what matters. Do you honestly beleive that the majors won't want some of the best players in the world able to play, and bring in the commercial interest that they generate?
