Kuch 3rd time around!

[Lump]

Most of you’ll are looking this the wrong way.
Okay, fee may have been agreed before the out of form win. Maybe the Caddie is over estimating his worth and input for said win....but the damage this is doing to Kuchar’s brand and image is worth a lot more the 130k “normal” 10% fee.
Kuchar’s worth nearly 50million dollars, this money is a drop in the ocean for him. How he is acting shows his true colours.

 

[Dasit]

Most of you’ll are looking this the wrong way.
Okay, fee may have been agreed before the out of form win. Maybe the Caddie is over estimating his worth and input for said win....but the damage this is doing to Kuchar’s brand and image is worth a lot more the 130k “normal” 10% fee.
Kuchar’s worth nearly 50million dollars, this money is a drop in the ocean for him. How he is acting shows his true colours.

If he is worth nearly 50mill dollars, that is a lot of "i don't care what you think about me" money

He can do whatever he wants for the rest of his life pretty much.



Media blowing up a non story. Sensationalist click bait news, just like US politics.

 

[Slab]

Most of you’ll are looking this the wrong way.
Okay, fee may have been agreed before the out of form win. Maybe the Caddie is over estimating his worth and input for said win....but the damage this is doing to Kuchar’s brand and image is worth a lot more the 130k “normal” 10% fee.
Kuchar’s worth nearly 50million dollars, this money is a drop in the ocean for him. How he is acting shows his true colours.

I've not seen anything to suggest any of Kuchar's sponsors are backing out over this or the damage is anything other than 'he's a bit of a skinflint' mostly from folks who don't have any influence on Kuchars earning capacity

 

[Scozzy]

Would it be nice if he slid 50k in the envelope? Obviously.
Based on some of the"logic" in this little chat,the guy sitting next to you in the restaurant who earns triple what you do is obligated to pay more for the same dinner you both ate purely because he's minted... yes?
I completely get a nice tip from someone who can afford it but if they shook hands,a deal is a deal surely....m

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

I haven't been able to find any information suggesting that the caddie was just a 'bag carrier', can anyone confirm this was the case? My guess is that he assisted with yardages, local knowledge around the course, lines on the greens etc. If he did then I would also guess that he helped Kuchar save shots during the tournament. If my assumptions are correct then I think any decent (extremely) wealthy human being would have bunged the guy a very healthy tip. I would have.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I haven't been able to find any information suggesting that the caddie was just a 'bag carrier', can anyone confirm this was the case? My guess is that he assisted with yardages, local knowledge around the course, lines on the greens etc. If he did then I would also guess that he helped Kuchar save shots during the tournament. If my assumptions are correct then I think any decent (extremely) wealthy human being would have bunged the guy a very healthy tip. I would have.

As a) he would have no knowledge of how far Kuchar hits any particular club and
b) by his own admission his English is poor it is hard to see that his services were in any way comparable to those of an experienced Tour caddy.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

As a) he would have no knowledge of how far Kuchar hits any particular club and
b) by his own admission his English is poor it is hard to see that his services were in any way comparable to those of an experienced Tour caddy.

I don't think it would take long to learn Kuchar's yardages, I would have thought his club supplier would have all that information to hand but the caddie would have a better knowledge of how wind, slope etc affects the ball in the conditions. You also don't need good English to point out the line on the green.

 

[need_my_wedge]

I think this is spot on. In the interview with the caddy he says Kuch gave him an envelope with $5k cash in it...I doubt he nipped off to an ATM before lifting the trophy. ......

I wonder if the caddy dashed straight back home with the envelope and filed it on his tax return

 

[richart]

I am sure there was an agreement, but that doesn’t stop someone with a bit of class paying more, especially if they have just won million dollars plus with the help of their caddie. Just mean to me. Imagine payment to caddie is tax deductible as well.

 

[Papas1982]

I don’t think he deserves 10% in anyway. The year long role of a caddy will involve weeks with no pay due to no events or missed cuts etc. It’ll also be needed to cover travel costs for the year too.

If a fee is agreed then imo that’s what should be agreed, that said I can see why some would want a little a more. Imo if he’s now offered 15k more and been refused then he should just walk away. If the guy can’t accept 20k for a job he’d usually get maybe 1k for off tourists then his greed will cost him.

As to the pr hurting Kuch, I’m not sure he’s lost any sponsors just yet.

 

[HamiltonGuy]

To be honest the money means nothing to kuch had he slipped him the extra 15k at the end on top of the 5k the guy would have no doubt been over the moon and praised anyone who listened. It’ll be life changing money to this guy. Now he’s looking like a clown for rejecting and kuch just looks like a tight fighted rich guy. Although I have seen kuch blank the sky sports guys before when everyone around him was having a chat or hello so I have never taken to him personally

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

The year long role of a caddy will involve weeks with no pay due to no events or missed cuts etc. It’ll also be needed to cover travel costs for the year too.

I believe most caddies get paid a weekly wage plus a %age of winnings on top.

 

[BrianM]

I’ve read that he got 5k and any other payment was based on Kuchars performance in the tournament.
Pretty poor show for someone that has 46 million in the bank.

 

[Papas1982]

I believe most caddies get paid a weekly wage plus a %age of winnings on top.

Every days a school day. I always thought it was just the percentage. Meaning that as long as they made cut they got something.

 

[Wolf]

Can't see Kuchar losing any sponsors over this at all. His paying a Caddy has nothing to do with his sponsors nor does it reflect on them only directly reflects on the player.

Imo they agreed a deal and whether people agree with that or not is irrelevant the Caddy didn't have to agree to that fee before play its only after the fact and that it's been highlighted by others nothing to do with it has it come to light. Had Kuch finished 2nd and made say 750k this probably wouldn't have even got a mentioned anywhere but could still be argued he could have paid more.

Everyone saying he has x amount of dollars in the bank he should pay more imo is laughable what he has in the bank is irrelevant to the deal at hand, the Caddy agreed an amount which earned him more in 4 days than he probably earns in 2 months caddying for holiday makers.

How many people would pay a tradesman more than the agreed amount for a job because they did a better job than they thought they would absolutely nobody would because the fee was pre agreed..

It's like in my profession I've worked with Sportsmen and women of differing sports I've assisted them in their goals as I have with non sporting people but I don't get to turn round and say because I've had a direct impact on their performance which has netted them good money you need to slip me an extra few hundred quid that's not how business works whether verbal or written agreement. Once a price is agreed the person providing the price is duty and honour bound to give the service best of their ability for the agreed amount, not then bitch and whine they deserve more because things went better than expected or because a few people think someone with millions should pay more.

 

[Orikoru]

Can't see Kuchar losing any sponsors over this at all. His paying a Caddy has nothing to do with his sponsors nor does it reflect on them only directly reflects on the player.

Imo they agreed a deal and whether people agree with that or not is irrelevant the Caddy didn't have to agree to that fee before play its only after the fact and that it's been highlighted by others nothing to do with it has it come to light. Had Kuch finished 2nd and made say 750k this probably wouldn't have even got a mentioned anywhere but could still be argued he could have paid more.

Everyone saying he has x amount of dollars in the bank he should pay more imo is laughable what he has in the bank is irrelevant to the deal at hand, the Caddy agreed an amount which earned him more in 4 days than he probably earns in 2 months caddying for holiday makers.

How many people would pay a tradesman more than the agreed amount for a job because they did a better job than they thought they would absolutely nobody would because the fee was pre agreed..

It's like in my profession I've worked with Sportsmen and women of differing sports I've assisted them in their goals as I have with non sporting people but I don't get to turn round and say because I've had a direct impact on their performance which has netted them good money you need to slip me an extra few hundred quid that's not how business works whether verbal or written agreement. Once a price is agreed the person providing the price is duty and honour bound to give the service best of their ability for the agreed amount, not then bitch and whine they deserve more because things went better than expected or because a few people think someone with millions should pay more.

Yeah exactly. If you buy a car and it ends up being faster and more reliable than you thought, you don't ring up the geezer that sold it you and bung him an extra five grand do you? A deal is a deal. Pre-agreed.

 

[garyinderry]

Some of the guys on here have paid a bigger percentage tip to the caddies at the old course.

That says it all really. Shows you how tight fisted kuch is.

 

[Jacko_G]

Can't see Kuchar losing any sponsors over this at all. His paying a Caddy has nothing to do with his sponsors nor does it reflect on them only directly reflects on the player.

Imo they agreed a deal and whether people agree with that or not is irrelevant the Caddy didn't have to agree to that fee before play its only after the fact and that it's been highlighted by others nothing to do with it has it come to light. Had Kuch finished 2nd and made say 750k this probably wouldn't have even got a mentioned anywhere but could still be argued he could have paid more.

Everyone saying he has x amount of dollars in the bank he should pay more imo is laughable what he has in the bank is irrelevant to the deal at hand, the Caddy agreed an amount which earned him more in 4 days than he probably earns in 2 months caddying for holiday makers.

How many people would pay a tradesman more than the agreed amount for a job because they did a better job than they thought they would absolutely nobody would because the fee was pre agreed..

It's like in my profession I've worked with Sportsmen and women of differing sports I've assisted them in their goals as I have with non sporting people but I don't get to turn round and say because I've had a direct impact on their performance which has netted them good money you need to slip me an extra few hundred quid that's not how business works whether verbal or written agreement. Once a price is agreed the person providing the price is duty and honour bound to give the service best of their ability for the agreed amount, not then bitch and whine they deserve more because things went better than expected or because a few people think someone with millions should pay more.

I can assure you that companies involved in sponsorship do not like any negative press and all have clauses that allow them to walk away from said sponsorship should the player/associate do anything that they believe acts in a negative light. I'm not suggesting this is the case here but all this negative press that is still floating around with Kuch months after the story broke will not be going unnoticed.

 

[Wolf]

Some of the guys on here have paid a bigger percentage tip to the caddies at the old course.

That says it all really. Shows you how tight fisted kuch is.

Good for them doesn't make anyone tight fisted because they don't pay as much as others regardless of their personal income. Its like saying someone has to give a waitress a bigger tip because they earn more than me. Nobody is entitled to more just because the person paying the bill earns more than them.

I can assure you that companies involved in sponsorship do not like any negative press and all have clauses that allow them to walk away from said sponsorship should the player/associate do anything that they believe acts in a negative light. I'm not suggesting this is the case here but all this negative press that is still floating around with Kuch months after the story broke will not be going unnoticed.

Generally speaking these clauses are based on breaches of conduct not on a breach of what a player pays a Caddy because there is no writer contract he has broken with this guy it has no bearing on him being cut by a sponsor

 

[BrianM]

The deal was 5k then a performance related payment on where Kuchar finished, he thinks 15k is right for winning it, I personally think it should be 10%.