Kuch 3rd time around!

[Deleted member 15344]

Some of the guys on here have paid a bigger percentage tip to the caddies at the old course.

That says it all really. Shows you how tight fisted kuch is.

Irrelevant imo Especially the percentages - people will pay what they think it’s worth or the minimum they can justify - you are comparing £20-50 to thousands - it’s just not a comparison that works.

If Kuchar wants to be tight that’s his choice - it’s his money that he earned and he has every right to be careful with it

This whole issue will not affect Kuchars sponserships etc - I suspect the latest part with Kuchar offering a further payment and it being turned down will actually make the caddy now look bad and greedy.

Kuchar has done nothing wrong - a fee was agreed and it was paid - a bit more was offered after but was turned down

 

[Jacko_G]

Good for them doesn't make anyone tight fisted because they don't pay as much as others regardless of their personal income. Its like saying someone has to give a waitress a bigger tip because they earn more than me. Nobody is entitled to more just because the person paying the bill earns more than them.


Generally speaking these clauses are based on breaches of conduct not on a breach of what a player pays a Caddy because there is no writer contract he has broken with this guy it has no bearing on him being cut by a sponsor

It's anything negative. Anything at all. Anything comes up that sponsors are not happy with they want the right to walk and distance themselves.

 

[Wolf]

It's anything negative. Anything at all. Anything comes up that sponsors are not happy with they want the right to walk and distance themselves.

Which they're not doing are they.

 

[Jacko_G]

Irrelevant imo Especially the percentages - people will pay what they think it’s worth or the minimum they can justify - you are comparing £20-50 to thousands - it’s just not a comparison that works.

If Kuchar wants to be tight that’s his choice - it’s his money that he earned and he has every right to be careful with it

This whole issue will not affect Kuchars sponserships etc - I suspect the latest part with Kuchar offering a further payment and it being turned down will actually make the caddy now look bad and greedy.

Kuchar has done nothing wrong - a fee was agreed and it was paid - a bit more was offered after but was turned down

Kuchar had done nothing wrong. Yes I agree but what he's done is "morally" wrong. No ifs and no buts. Hence why it's gone viral and it's still a hot potato.

He has turned what could have been a very good positive PR exercise into a car crash. He hoped to get away with it and he didn't.

I also think he's been stupid to since go back and offer another $15k because of the negative press. He's made a situation even worse.

I also think Mr Caddy has been stupid rejecting this additional payment as he now looks like a gold digger even though I agree he should be getting a bigger pay cheque.

Interesting to read on the American sites that a lot of them are going down the race route saying would Kuch have done this to a fellow American?

 

[Jacko_G]

Which they're not doing are they.

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Which if you read in my original post about it you'll see I suggested it wasn't. You are the one who suggested that they couldn't.

I merely pointed out that sponsorship can walk away for any reason they choose. It's in the contract. I know this for a fact.

 

[patricks148]

Kuchar had done nothing wrong. Yes I agree but what he's done is "morally" wrong. No ifs and no buts. Hence why it's gone viral and it's still a hot potato.

He has turned what could have been a very good positive PR exercise into a car crash. He hoped to get away with it and he didn't.

I also think he's been stupid to since go back and offer another $15k because of the negative press. He's made a situation even worse.

I also think Mr Caddy has been stupid rejecting this additional payment as he now looks like a gold digger even though I agree he should be getting a bigger pay cheque.

Interesting to read on the American sites that a lot of them are going down the race route saying would Kuch have done this to a fellow American?

yep he could have looked a big man and given the guy 10K in the first place... job done

 

[Wolf]

Kuchar had done nothing wrong. Yes I agree but what he's done is "morally" wrong. No ifs and no buts. Hence why it's gone viral and it's still a hot potato.

He has turned what could have been a very good positive PR exercise into a car crash. He hoped to get away with it and he didn't.

I also think he's been stupid to since go back and offer another $15k because of the negative press. He's made a situation even worse.

I also think Mr Caddy has been stupid rejecting this additional payment as he now looks like a gold digger even though I agree he should be getting a bigger pay cheque.

Interesting to read on the American sites that a lot of them are going down the race route saying would Kuch have done this to a fellow American?

I disagree and don't think what he has done is morally wrong at all, it can't be morally wrong when an agreement was made, there is nothing that's states he must pay more just because he's a millionaire so no moral issue at all unless you think everyone whose rich should pay more because they can. What he pays a regular tour Caddy is a total irrelevance as there's other factors involved.

As for the Race quotes now coming out just another way of trying to smear someone's character because at no point has race been an issue just money. It's to easy to play the race card when people don't get there own way without knowing full facts.

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Which if you read in my original post about it you'll see I suggested it wasn't. You are the one who suggested that they couldn't.

I merely pointed out that sponsorship can walk away for any reason they choose. It's in the contract. I know this for a fact.

And you know this for a fact because you've seen copies of Kuchars sponsorship contracts... I very much doubt that Jacko.

Even if you say you've seen other contracts still a total irrelevance because unless you've seen Kuchars contract in detail with this stipulation you cannot factually make that accusation

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Kuchar had done nothing wrong. Yes I agree but what he's done is "morally" wrong. No ifs and no buts. Hence why it's gone viral and it's still a hot potato.

He has turned what could have been a very good positive PR exercise into a car crash. He hoped to get away with it and he didn't.

I also think he's been stupid to since go back and offer another $15k because of the negative press. He's made a situation even worse.

I also think Mr Caddy has been stupid rejecting this additional payment as he now looks like a gold digger even though I agree he should be getting a bigger pay cheque.

Interesting to read on the American sites that a lot of them are going down the race route saying would Kuch have done this to a fellow American?

I actually think most prob don’t care now , it’s old news , the initial story got a lot of buzz and people are still in the same camp they were at the start - it’s not really ground breaking , no point going on about what’s morally wrong because someone is a bit “tight” - Kuchar stuck to his word , the only reason it’s still going on is because some areas of the media want to keep chewing on the scraps of the bone. This is going to have zero affect on Kuchar - going to make no difference at all

Kuchar doesn’t need a “PR” exercise - it’s not going to gain him anything and I’m not sure exactly what you think he “hoped” to get away with ? He paid a guy to do a job - the guy did the job and got paid the agreed amount.

In the grand scheme of things this situation is pretty meaningless now - it’s a nothing situation and anyone who tries to bring race into it is just now trying to twist it to find more meat to chew on.

It says as much when I haven’t heard one single person in our club talk about it either in the bar or whilst playing - expect most don’t really care about it

 

[Jacko_G]

I disagree and don't think what he has done is morally wrong at all, it can't be morally wrong when an agreement was made, there is nothing that's states he must pay more just because he's a millionaire so no moral issue at all unless you think everyone whose rich should pay more because they can. What he pays a regular tour Caddy is a total irrelevance as there's other factors involved.

As for the Race quotes now coming out just another way of trying to smear someone's character because at no point has race been an issue just money. It's to easy to play the race card when people don't get there own way without knowing full facts.

And you know this for a fact because you've seen copies of Kuchars sponsorship contracts... I very much doubt that Jacko.

Even if you say you've seen other contracts still a total irrelevance because unless you've seen Kuchars contract in detail with this stipulation you cannot factually make that accusation

I think you need to grow up a bit and smell the coffee.

 

[Wolf]

I think you need to grow up a bit and smell the coffee.

No i don't need grow up at all you simply don't like people disagreeing with you hence why this is your 3rd thread on this subject and telling me to grow up when you've stated a fact you cannot know without being Kuchar legal representative having dealt with said contract is more questionable than me need to grow up and smell coffee because you don't like someonea opinion differing to yours.

 

[Imurg]

My view in this is that if anyone is particularly worried about whether Kooch is tight, a skinflint, careful or a scoundrel then there's not enough going on in your life.
Move on.

 

[Jacko_G]

No i don't need grow up at all you simply don't like people disagreeing with you hence why this is your 3rd thread on this subject and telling me to grow up when you've stated a fact you cannot know without being Kuchar legal representative having dealt with said contract is more questionable than me need to grow up and smell coffee because you don't like someonea opinion differing to yours.

Taken to PM.

Cheers

 

[garyinderry]

If this guys English is so poor that he is unable to help Kutch play golf then it is entirely likely he was not completely aware of his working agreement.

After the fact he has made this quite clear. He believes he should be paid inline with those other caddies he was competing with. Whilst not the full 10% but a he'll of alot more than he was offered.

5k might be a lot for someone to carry a bag for someone around a resort for 4 days.

5k isn't bad to carry a bag for someone of the pga tour who doesn't make the cut.

5k is a disgrace for carrying the bag of the winner on the PGA tour.

 

[Parsaregood]

Disappointed to learn this to be true. For those saying it is not being tight, yes it is. It is less than 0.5% of what kuchar made that week, Matt doesnt meed the money and could have really helped the guy and his family over the next few years by slipping the guy 30 or 40k. (Still only about 3% and he won't be taxed on it)
The guy is a local caddie and would have helped him with lines off the tee and lines on the green in practice rounds, he was recommended to Kuch by someone at the tournament. To pay the guy 5k after making more than 1.3 million is a bit of a joke. It's also not doing Matt any favours publicly, I used to think he was a really good guy but after hearing this and a couple of other things I think my opinion of him has changed a little for the worse. I hope Matt does the right thing and offers the guy a cheque for more, it's a shame this has all come to light the way it has but it is what it is.

 

[Shooter McPowick]

Caddy was being greedy, refused another 15k as he thought he would try and hold out for more.

It’s estimated he would earn 100 bucks a day for caddying 2 rounds of golf, he was offered a considerable amount more - approx. 40 times more than he would earn normally.

Greedy moron got what he deserved if you ask me.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I actually think most prob don’t care now , it’s old news , the initial story got a lot of buzz and people are still in the same camp they were at the start - it’s not really ground breaking , no point going on about what’s morally wrong because someone is a bit “tight” - Kuchar stuck to his word , the only reason it’s still going on is because some areas of the media want to keep chewing on the scraps of the bone. This is going to have zero affect on Kuchar - going to make no difference at all

Kuchar doesn’t need a “PR” exercise - it’s not going to gain him anything and I’m not sure exactly what you think he “hoped” to get away with ? He paid a guy to do a job - the guy did the job and got paid the agreed amount.

In the grand scheme of things this situation is pretty meaningless now - it’s a nothing situation and anyone who tries to bring race into it is just now trying to twist it to find more meat to chew on.

It says as much when I haven’t heard one single person in our club talk about it either in the bar or whilst playing - expect most don’t really care about it

Disagree. It's very much a story and of course the media aren't going to leave it alone. Yes Kuchar stuck to the original deal, yes Kuchar did then offer the extra money. Yes, the caddy has been foolish trying to haggle more than he was offered and yes, it doesn't necessarily sit well given the money Kuchar won. All in I think everyone involved has muddied the waters and none come out of it particularly well

 

[Lump]

If people don’t think this doesn’t shine a negative light on Kuchar, it’s all over media platforms and it’s not good things that are being said. It may not have any immediate returns, but this could haunt him in years to come.

 

[Papas1982]

If people don’t think this doesn’t shine a negative light on Kuchar, it’s all over media platforms and it’s not good things that are being said. It may not have any immediate returns, but this could haunt him in years to come.

Simply using this thread, or the previous two, it looks to me to be pretty 50/50 split on opinion.
So i can't see it doing too much as it's keeping his name in the spotlight.

As to haunting him in the future, does a man worth 50m care?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

If people don’t think this doesn’t shine a negative light on Kuchar, it’s all over media platforms and it’s not good things that are being said. It may not have any immediate returns, but this could haunt him in years to come.

It's definitely a negative PR situation. Even at this late stage any additional payment will be negatively viewed (unless done in private and can't see that happening). Whether that has a long term effect on sponsorship remains to be seen.

 

[Slab]

My random irritation in this thread is how people think about his career winnings

There’s no doubt that this guy is loaded and a multi-millionaire but to bandy about a career earnings figure like it can be used as a comparison to what he offered is pointless (just add up your own career earnings before you paid anything out versus your current bank balance and see what I mean)

You get that he has to pay tax, prob 20% or more & he has an agent/manager that’s also on a 20% cut (pretty std rate) That’s tens of millions gone right there (I know that the actual sum isn’t that simple but the principal is) even before we look at other expenses etc. Yup he’s loaded but don’t compare a 46 mil career to $5k for a weeks work

But if you really want to compare a career to a week then Kuchar's been pro for what just shy of 20 years or 1000 weeks?

46mil divided by 1000 weeks means his average earnings are 46,000 a week (less 20% tax & 20% agent) so its roughly 27k a week for his career…. Oh wait didn’t the caddy refuse 20k for a week of his career to just assist the player who only averages 27k a week in his career!




Yeah I know you can make numbers show anything but its still fun