Jacket and Tie

[guest100718]

90 votes.. only 11 pro jacket and tie. says it all

 

[HawkeyeMS]

So why do they "need" to change it then as you suggested. The dress code is not a problem for the club and I'm guessing its members so there doesn't seem to appear to be a "need"

It's just my opinion. The enforce j&t and people turn up in Ill fitting suits and shirts, tie's that don't match and scruffy shoes that haven't been cleaned since they were bought. But because they are wearing a j&t it is deemed acceptable.

It's like I said, j&t isn't always smart.

 

[Jamesbrown]

It's not whether there is a need now, but will be 10 years down the line.
It's better to move with the times than be left behind.

How many who are pro Jacket & Tie are under the age of 40?

At these clubs, what's the age range of their members?

Whats the the age of the committee to change its policies?

Change is inevitable.

 

[moogie]

It's just my opinion. The enforce j&t and people turn up in Ill fitting suits and shirts, tie's that don't match and scruffy shoes that haven't been cleaned since they were bought. But because they are wearing a j&t it is deemed acceptable.

It's like I said, j&t isn't always smart.

Reminds me of when I used to go to a lot of horse race meetings many years ago
( pre wife / pre child )
The good old days

We'd go in the club enclosures

Jacket & tie was the rule
In the Q one day
We're all in our suits
Behind us
2 fellas
Trainers ( 1 had shoes on )
Denim jeans
Denim jacket
Shirt
Tie

Met the criteria and allowed in

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It's not whether there is a need now, but will be 10 years down the line.
It's better to move with the times than be left behind.

How many who are pro Jacket & Tie are under the age of 40?

At these clubs, what's the age range of their members?

Whats the the age of the committee to change its policies?

Change is inevitable.

Reckon its pretty safe to assume that the clubs we are talking about wont be left behind in any way shape or from

 

[Fish]

It's just my opinion. The enforce j&t and people turn up in Ill fitting suits and shirts, tie's that don't match and scruffy shoes that haven't been cleaned since they were bought. But because they are wearing a j&t it is deemed acceptable.

It's like I said, j&t isn't always smart.

This is a good point, some of the people I see when a J&T is required look unkept because it's obvious they don't wear a suit or J&T very often. Creased, nothing matches, last months dinner stains and like you say, scruffy shoes.

But they've got on what is required on so alls well.

It's like that old saying, you can put a pig in a suit but it'll still grunt 😜

 

[HawkeyeMS]

This is a good point, some of the people I see when a J&T is required look unkept because it's obvious they don't wear a suit or J&T very often. Creased, nothing matches, last months dinner stains and like you say, scruffy shoes.

But they've got on what is required on so alls well.

It's like that old saying, you can put a pig in a suit but it'll still grunt 😜

:thup:

 

[richart]

This is a good point, some of the people I see when a J&T is required look unkept because it's obvious they don't wear a suit or J&T very often. Creased, nothing matches, last months dinner stains and like you say, scruffy shoes.

but think what they would look like in smart casual.

Question for those that say they only wear a suit/jacket and tie for funerals and job interviews. Why wear a jacket and tie for a job interview ? If the job requires you to wear one, I could understand, but presumably you are not going for those jobs, or not getting them.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

When you go for a job interview you don't quite know the score so you play it safe and put a suit on. Not because you want to but because you think you might have to. You do it because that job pays your mortgage, for your holidays, for your golf fees 😁. We play golf for fun and so don't want to be forced into an outfit that we don't like. As said before, those who want to wear them fill your boots. Why force others into them though? Oh yes, because it says so in the rules 😵😵.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

This is a good point, some of the people I see when a J&T is required look unkept because it's obvious they don't wear a suit or J&T very often. Creased, nothing matches, last months dinner stains and like you say, scruffy shoes.

But they've got on what is required on so alls well.

It's like that old saying, you can put a pig in a suit but it'll still grunt 😜

QED but some will still tell you its a necessity and the world for these clubs will end without an egg stained tie for lunch. You've had the money, we want to enjoy what you have to offer but take away the hoops to jump through. That is a very simplistic customer service fundamental that a vast majority of service industry establishments including some very highbrow restaurants, have cottoned onto. Some golf clubs are still in the 1920's

 

[GB72]

I wear a suit and tie every day so why do i rally against it at golf clubs etc. Simple, i go there to relax and i do not feel relaxed on my work clothes. Equally, I object to it in my profession but clients expect it and I am paid to do that. Basically I oppose the theory that clothes maketh the man, in my experience totally untrue.

 

[upsidedown]

I'm more than happy to wear a jacket and tie as it's a chance to wear something I don't normally in my work or for most golf days.

It comes down to why I play golf, yes for fun and recreation but also for the social interaction you get when playing club matches both men and mixed.
For me that is the fun , you get to meet new folks and then after the round change and have a drink and meal , for us at my club this will mean jacket and tie and frock for the Ladies.

When playing County Senior matches it's compulsory Jacket and County tie for evening meal even if the club don't dictate it, most times we eat with jackets on but should it be warm then it's jackets off.

 

[richart]

QED but some will still tell you its a necessity and the world for these clubs will end without an egg stained tie for lunch. You've had the money, we want to enjoy what you have to offer but take away the hoops to jump through. That is a very simplistic customer service fundamental that a vast majority of service industry establishments including some very highbrow restaurants, have cottoned onto. Some golf clubs are still in the 1920's

but those clubs still in the 20's like Royal St Georges, St Georges Hill, Swinley, The Berkshire, Sunningdale, West Hill, Worplesdon, etc are very succesful with full membership, even waiting lists. Why do they need to change ? I bet if you ask their memberhip the majority would say they are happy with the clubs rules, and don't want change.

 

[Slab]

but those clubs still in the 20's like Royal St Georges, St Georges Hill, Swinley, The Berkshire, Sunningdale, West Hill, Worplesdon, etc are very succesful with full membership, even waiting lists. Why do they need to change ? I bet if you ask their memberhip the majority would say they are happy with the clubs rules, and don't want change.

Re being busy/full

Do you think this is because of the dress code or in spite of the dress code

 

[chrisd]

I played at Tandridge late yesterday and we used the spike bar after. If I were to eat there, given what a stunning course it is, in the restaurant I'd happily wear a mankini if it was required. At mine, we've largely stopped dinners after matches, mostly for brunch before, and that suits me, not so much because we don't then need jacket and tie but because of the time it all takes and the waffling speeches that follow.

Simply though, I would happily follow the dress code of wherever I play.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Re being busy/full

Do you think this is because of the dress code or in spite of the dress code

It seems to be the argument always brought out in defence of individual rules. If one hole on the course was awful and 17 were great would people say members are happy with the bad hole because they keep rejoining or do they keep coming back for the other 17?

Ultimately you never know. If a club and course is good enough people will comprise and accept certain rules or quirks but it doesn't mean that they like them. Maybe they do, maybe they don't.

 

[Imurg]

I'm interested in the reasons why one club deems it necessary to have a J&T rule but another, of seemingly equal standing, doesn't, while another compromises somewhere down the middle....
Some clubs have a rule that smart casual can be worn before, say, 7pm, after which it's J&T....what's so special about 7pm..?
Why are there some rooms that you can wear golf attire but another room where you have to dress up....
I'd still love to know why a jacket over golf clothes is deemed smarter than just golf clothes.....Lime green shirt, bright pink troos and a pale blue jacket.....looks the business!

 

[BubbaP]

but those clubs still in the 20's like Royal St Georges, St Georges Hill, Swinley, The Berkshire, Sunningdale, West Hill, Worplesdon, etc are very succesful with full membership, even waiting lists. Why do they need to change ? I bet if you ask their memberhip the majority would say they are happy with the clubs rules, and don't want change.

Just for the record, Swinley dropped ties for lunch a couple of years back, but kept Jackets. Don't know what was behind it though.

 

[richy]

A telling sign would be if somewhere dropped the jacket and tie rule then watched to see if people still wore them.

 

[Hobbit]

If the Sunningdale's of this world were goat tracks would they still have a J&T rule? To a large extent, people tolerate the J&T rule because of the course.

Do those clubs want the J&T rule? Yes they do. Do they wheel out the oldies to vote at an AGM on the issue? The club belongs to the oldies too, and if the majority of the membership, irrespective of age, want to keep the rule that's fine.

As visitors we have to acknowledge and accept the host's rules. We accept changing shoes in a visitor's locker room, not the car park, and we're willing to accept a visitor's bar with just a mumble. Why is J&T such a contentious issue? Is it about comfort, especially on a hot day, or is it about wearing what we like to wear?

Even as members of said clubs, if we don't like the J&T rule we can always go and eat and drink elsewhere.