Jacket and Tie

[Deleted member 23270]

Sorry
I do apologise
I didn't realise you were a good friend of Mr Wylie, knew him intimately, and what his hopes and dreams and business plans for close house were.....

That is a pretty pointless answer if I'm honest. Obviously I don't know the owner but I do know how these people become wealthy. It is a business and people who own and run these businesses do so based on profit margins.

 

[Hacker Khan]

If wearing top hat and tails would generate more profit for him then I'm sure he would change the dress code to that.

For people like him it is not about golf or tradition or anything else it is purely about making money. The new owner of Wentworth is a classic example!

You could argue thee are very many golfers for which golf is not about tradition, it is just about having fun with your mates. You can cater for that audience without the game going to hell in a handcart.

 

[moogie]

That is a pretty pointless answer if I'm honest. Obviously I don't know the owner but I do know how these people become wealthy. It is a business and people who own and run these businesses do so based on profit margins.

No
Your previous post and comment regarding top hat and tails was pointless
Hence the response

What the owner has done is create a very highly maintained product outside, in a fantastic setting, all encased in a very relaxing clubhouse and complex

This will equal happy patrons
Which should eventually show returns

The owner is a very successful businessman, did his research correctly, this was well documented locally, with staff visiting all the top venues around the UK, before the building of the new Colt course and new clubhouse was completed

 

[Deleted member 23270]

You could argue thee are very many golfers for which golf is not about tradition, it is just about having fun with your mates. You can cater for that audience without the game going to hell in a handcart.

My comment wasn't about golfers it was about businessmen.

 

[Deleted member 23270]

No
Your previous post and comment regarding top hat and tails was pointless
Hence the response

What the owner has done is create a very highly maintained product outside, in a fantastic setting, all encased in a very relaxing clubhouse and complex

This will equal happy patrons
Which should eventually show returns

The owner is a very successful businessman, did his research correctly, this was well documented locally, with staff visiting all the top venues around the UK, before the building of the new Colt course and new clubhouse was completed

You mean like Slaley Hall, the Grove, the Oxfordshire and all these other places that now bombard people with email offers trying to drum up business as they are no longer the latest big thing? Times change, if/when profit drops at CH then expect to see changes.

 

[moogie]

You mean like Slaley Hall, the Grove, the Oxfordshire and all these other places that now bombard people with email offers trying to drum up business as they are no longer the latest big thing? Times change, if/when profit drops at CH then expect to see changes.

Close House doesn't operate like this
The owner is very rich business man
Like 2 X euro lotto jackpot style wins rich £££
If this venture never showed a profit I doubt it would ever change his life
He won't compromise on service or the product
There's no reduced green fees -- stupidly high -- compared to what's in the area
But does very well from corporate events

It's in a league above slaley on service and course condition, hence the hefty membership fees

You may well know a bit about others in your area but about CH I feel you know zilch

He wanted to put something back into the area and hasn't compromised on any aspect of the set up
It will never be a discounted green fee, 2 for 1 giveaway golf , type club

 

[Lord Tyrion]

One of the people I was playing with on Sunday at CH is a chef and he reckoned that CH had pinched all the key chefs, receptionists, managers etc from Slaley en masse. I don't know how accurate that is but he has no reason to invent that. The service levels and ethos of the staff is very very good.

I think the difference with CH is that it is owned by a person and not a hotel chain. That person is a golf fan and also lives on the complex, by the clubhouse and 18th green of the Filly course. This is a long term pet project to produce an outstanding all round product, all out of his living room window. Now clearly he could sell up to a hotel or other individual and it could all change but at the moment he has got it right.

 

[moogie]

One of the people I was playing with on Sunday at CH is a chef and he reckoned that CH had pinched all the key chefs, receptionists, managers etc from Slaley en masse. I don't know how accurate that is but he has no reason to invent that. The service levels and ethos of the staff is very very good.

I think the difference with CH is that it is owned by a person and not a hotel chain. That person is a golf fan and also lives on the complex, by the clubhouse and 18th green of the Filly course. This is a long term pet project to produce an outstanding all round product, all out of his living room window. Now clearly he could sell up to a hotel or other individual and it could all change but at the moment he has got it right.

This is the key point ^^^^


He also head hunted the best green keeper in the area , from slaley hall, to head up his team when 1st getting the new course up and running
This guy is currently now at Archerfield

 

[Kaizer_Soze]

I'm pretty sure the last time I wore a jacket and tie I was up in court :rofl: (was a few years ago when I was stupid)

 

[HawkeyeMS]

The only time I have worn a tie in the last God knows how long are weddings, funerals and the golf club restaurant.

It seems to me that one of those places needs to take a look at itself and drag itself kicking and screaming into the 21St century.

You can be smart without a jacket and tie and a jacket and tie does not always look smart.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Close House doesn't operate like this
The owner is very rich business man
Like 2 X euro lotto jackpot style wins rich £££
If this venture never showed a profit I doubt it would ever change his life
He won't compromise on service or the product
There's no reduced green fees -- stupidly high -- compared to what's in the area
But does very well from corporate events

It's in a league above slaley on service and course condition, hence the hefty membership fees

You may well know a bit about others in your area but about CH I feel you know zilch

He wanted to put something back into the area and hasn't compromised on any aspect of the set up
It will never be a discounted green fee, 2 for 1 giveaway golf , type club

Interesting. So when it stops making a profit do you think he will subsidise it out of his own pocket?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The only time I have worn a tie in the last God knows how long are weddings, funerals and the golf club restaurant.

It seems to me that one of those places needs to take a look at itself and drag itself kicking and screaming into the 21St century.

You can be smart without a jacket and tie and a jacket and tie does not always look smart.

Why do they ?

Their dress code isn't having a detrimental affect on the golf course/club

 

[HampshireHog]

I don't think I've ever needed a jacket and tie for a society.

Club matches, yes. Specific, events yes.

It doesn't really bother me after a round, probably eat in the spike bar between rounds if it was an issue.

 

[KenL]

Not a fan of J&T but am ok with it for annual dinners or special venues like R&A clubhouse.
I would not join a club with this stipulation to get into the clubhouse.
Many clubs up here used to have these rules in place but have modernised thankfully.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Why do they ?

Their dress code isn't having a detrimental affect on the golf course/club

Because it's unnecessary in my opinion. Of course clubs can do what they want but of all the rules a golf club has this is the most stuffy and outdated of them all. The assumption that a jacket and tie is automatically smart is massively flawed.

 

[moogie]

Interesting. So when it stops making a profit do you think he will subsidise it out of his own pocket?

I've no idea??
No idea if it's even made a profit to date
After initial purchase of the original course and land/buildings
Then purchasing additional land and having a 2nd course designed and constructed
That outlay may or may not have been recouped yet??

As stated by lord T
His residence is also on site, the old manor house
Previously the hotel
Which overlooks the courses

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Because it's unnecessary in my opinion. Of course clubs can do what they want but of all the rules a golf club has this is the most stuffy and outdated of them all. The assumption that a jacket and tie is automatically smart is massively flawed.

But in the clubs opinion they deem it required and going by how popular the golf clubs are and how hard it is to become a member due to the length of waiting lists it doesnt seem to be causing the club any issues.

Just look at how many forum members are going to Sunningdale and New Zealand - jacket and tie required to eat in carvery yet it filled up pretty quickly.

There are still plenty of golfers playing the game that has no issue with clubs wanting to have a dress code that requires a jacket and tie at times.

 

[TheJezster]

But in the clubs opinion they deem it required and going by how popular the golf clubs are and how hard it is to become a member due to the length of waiting lists it doesnt seem to be causing the club any issues.

Just look at how many forum members are going to Sunningdale and New Zealand - jacket and tie required to eat in carvery yet it filled up pretty quickly.

There are still plenty of golfers playing the game that has no issue with clubs wanting to have a dress code that requires a jacket and tie at times.

Be careful how you word things, there's a world of difference to to no issue and begrudgingly wearing a jacket and tie... good job you're not a tennis journalist, Andy Murray would have a field day with you 😉

 

[HawkeyeMS]

But in the clubs opinion they deem it required and going by how popular the golf clubs are and how hard it is to become a member due to the length of waiting lists it doesnt seem to be causing the club any issues.

Just look at how many forum members are going to Sunningdale and New Zealand - jacket and tie required to eat in carvery yet it filled up pretty quickly.

There are still plenty of golfers playing the game that has no issue with clubs wanting to have a dress code that requires a jacket and tie at times.

That's not a great argument Phil, Sunningdale and nw Zealand would fill up if the dress code was a toga with a pineapple on your head. Golfers go to play golf at those courses and accept the dress code as a consequence,

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That's not a great argument Phil, Sunningdale and nw Zealand would fill up if the dress code was a toga with a pineapple on your head. Golfers go to play golf at those courses and accept the dress code as a consequence,

So why do they "need" to change it then as you suggested. The dress code is not a problem for the club and I'm guessing its members so there doesn't seem to appear to be a "need"