If paying Green fees should you be able to choose which tee boxes you play off?

You can play off any tees you like at our club! :)

P.S. But we don't allow green fee players except as member's guests.
 
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I think you should be allowed to play off the same options as members - if the club are protecting tees etc for maintenance fair enough but you should have the same options as members. At our place you play where you want
 
Robobum said:
270+ carry to make the fairway?? You sure that's right?

Average total driving distance is 290 this year. A lot of the field wouldn't make that carry, never mind 10yrs ago. Is that why the venue was ditched?
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Oops, I meant 240+. Still it is a good knock for the average player to get it out there. You wouldn't believe the amount of visitors you see hitting from rough at thw start of the fairway. Even the competition tees takes a good whack (220+) to reach the fairway on a couple of those holes.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
You should play of the tees as dictated by the club - for us is the tee of the day and that's the same for members
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But how does that make you feel when you are lured by the clubs website..... "come play our 7,200 yard Championship Course" and you turn up and are then playing it at 6,400 yards????
Couldn't you do them under the trade descriptions act? You're still paying the same green fee.
I mean, that's like a restaurant advertising a 28oz T bone steak and you only get a 20oz one.
Always makes me smile when I see a golf club advertising how long their course is when nobody ever gets the chance to play it at it's full length!
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to play a 7,200 yard course. 6,500 is at the top end of my abilities. But if I were able to do a 7,200 yarder justice, I'd be cheesed off.
 
Smiffy said:
But how does that make you feel when you are lured by the clubs website..... "come play our 7,200 yard Championship Course" and you turn up and are then playing it at 6,400 yards????
Couldn't you do them under the trade descriptions act? You're still paying the same green fee.
I mean, that's like a restaurant advertising a 28oz T bone steak and you only get a 20oz one.
Always makes me smile when I see a golf club advertising how long their course is when nobody ever gets the chance to play it at it's full length!
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to play a 7,200 yard course. 6,500 is at the top end of my abilities. But if I were able to do a 7,200 yarder justice, I'd be cheesed off.
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Good point smiffy. I've gone to places before that advertise they're championship standard course and end up playing it from the front tees that makes the course boring.

Many people comment on my place being too easy, but the course was only ever built for the tour, so a lot of the trouble is not really in play from the front tees. Also the greens were built with people attacking them with long irons in hand, so they are pretty easy to hit when you only have a wedge in hand.
 
MadAdey said:
Good point smiffy. I've gone to places before that advertise they're championship standard course and end up playing it from the front tees that makes the course boring.
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Take East Sussex National for instance.
This is the blurb for each course, taken straight from their website.....

"The East Course is a 7,081 yard stadium layout, designed for tournament play. It has been the setting for many important UK & international tournaments – notably the European Open Championship on two occasions".

"The West Course meanders through stands of ancient oak, along quiet pools and streams. The par 72 West Course stretches 7,154 unforgettable yards".

I've never played the East course at 7,081 yards despite playing there many, many times. About 6,400 is as good as it gets.
And the West course stretches for 7,154 unforgettable yards???? About 1,000 of them are unknown to me having only ever played it at just over 6,000 so how could I forget them????
 
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Smiffy said:
But how does that make you feel when you are lured by the clubs website..... "come play our 7,200 yard Championship Course" and you turn up and are then playing it at 6,400 yards????
Couldn't you do them under the trade descriptions act? You're still paying the same green fee.
I mean, that's like a restaurant advertising a 28oz T bone steak and you only get a 20oz one.
Always makes me smile when I see a golf club advertising how long their course is when nobody ever gets the chance to play it at it's full length!
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to play a 7,200 yard course. 6,500 is at the top end of my abilities. But if I were able to do a 7,200 yarder justice, I'd be cheesed off.
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It doesn't bother me one bit -as long as I'm being able to play the same course as the members

Being honest at most clubs I have been and played the difference isn't big enough for me to get worried about

I never play a course because of what yardage it is
 
Smiffy said:
I'm not saying you do Phil.
But I'm commenting on Golf Clubs advertising their courses on their perceived difficulty but never allowing anybody to play them at that length despite paying for the privilege.
Totally different.
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But you are paying a green fee for what the club allow you to play though ?

Do courses say - pay £60 and you will be able play from whatever tee you wish

The examples you posted above just state what the courses are as opposed to the exact length you will be able to play.

It's not false advertising is it ?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
But you are paying a green fee for what the club allow you to play though ?

Do courses say - pay £60 and you will be able play from whatever tee you wish

The examples you posted above just state what the courses are as opposed to the exact length you will be able to play.

It's not false advertising is it ?
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Sorry mate, you're missing the point.
If a car was advertised with a top speed of 150mph and you could only get 130 out of it, wouldn't you complain????
If I read the review on a particular hole on a golf course I am planning on visiting, and a big thing is made of a massive fairway bunker at 280 out, I'd be a bit peeved off to find that due to the tees I am now forced to be playing off, said bunker is only 200 yards away.
 
Going back to the original question “should you be able to play off the tees you want to”

Then it’s a no for me

You should be advised if any tees are out of play that day (for maintenance/recovery etc) but clubs shouldn't have any of this ‘we only use them on xyz days’ nonsense. If it’s in good condition it should be available... to the right players
You should know your ‘true ability’ (not handicap) and be an given honest recommendation on which tees are suitable (to the benefit of you, the club & other players)

The comments often said on here “I like to play a course at its full length” but I guess most of the time there’s a specific course in mind and often not really a meaningful difference between yellow to white (back) tees

Course I played Sunday is over 900 yards longer moving from mens/visitor tees to the very back @ 7,534yards. It would be lunacy for the club to offer a free for all. The wrong players wouldn’t enjoy it, neither would the rest of the field which means the club loses out too

I can see why some clubs might make restrictions to all based on lack of trust in players because previous numptys were over-estimating their ability (although they shouldn’t be saving tee’s just in case Rory & Tiger pop in for 18 holes either)

So you should be able to play from any open tee's you can 'actually play' from but due to selfishness of others you may have to somehow prove you can
 
Smiffy said:
Sorry mate, you're missing the point.
If a car was advertised with a top speed of 150mph and you could only get 130 out of it, wouldn't you complain????
If I read the review on a particular hole on a golf course I am planning on visiting, and a big thing is made of a massive fairway bunker at 280 out, I'd be a bit peeved off to find that due to the tees I am now forced to be playing off, said bunker is only 200 yards away.
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I think you could read it to suit any argument/opinion. It states it's set up for Tournament play, is rocking up as a fourball and paying a green fee on the day an expectation of playing it to that degree, if you rolled up at Hoylake you wouldn't, even the course layout is different to that of Pro comps/Opens.

We can play off the comp tee's all the time, unless they've been moved forward to protect the boxes at any particular time, but I'm happy to adhere to the club's rules on the day that the tees of the day are yellows, what I don't like to see is members playing off whites and guests off yellows, you either have a tee of the day or not and leave it open. I also think that you should declare to the Pro your handicap and ability if the back tees are available at some top clubs and get his/her permission, what's the use of beating yourself up if you can't reach the fairways and slog it around 7,000+ yards probarly holding up the course and losing loads of balls, can't see the point personally!
 
Fish said:
What's the use of beating yourself up if you can't reach the fairways and slog it around 7,000+ yards probarly holding up the course and losing loads of balls, can't see the point personally!
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I did say that about 6,500 is the limit of my abilities Robin. I personally wouldn't want to play 7,000 plus.
But some clubs (not all) make a big thing about their course being the length it is, pushing it like mad on their websites.
That's what I was getting at mate.
 
Smiffy said:
I did say that about 6,500 is the limit of my abilities Robin. I personally wouldn't want to play 7,000 plus.
But some clubs (not all) make a big thing about their course being the length it is, pushing it like mad on their websites.
That's what I was getting at mate.
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I know mate, but unlike your other examples they do have the course available at that length but it may only be in comps, such as Pro events and no doubt their members comps and general Opens, so it is marketable at that length, depends on how you read it.
 
Smiffy said:
Sorry mate, you're missing the point.
If a car was advertised with a top speed of 150mph and you could only get 130 out of it, wouldn't you complain????
If I read the review on a particular hole on a golf course I am planning on visiting, and a big thing is made of a massive fairway bunker at 280 out, I'd be a bit peeved off to find that due to the tees I am now forced to be playing off, said bunker is only 200 yards away.
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Has to be said though just because you buy a car that goes at 150mph we all know plenty of people who couldn't ( & shouldn't) drive at that speed just because they don't have the necessary ability

So you might have seniors driving at 60, regular folk up to 90mph, still basic but talented drivers at 120 and only the pro's going at 150mph... same as a golf course really

It just comes down to what's appropriate, but how do the police know who has exceeded their ability until they see a wipe-out (= 6hr round) and already too late so we have rules for all even though some could safely drive faster
 
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