If paying Green fees should you be able to choose which tee boxes you play off?

As people have already said it is up to the club and they have a duty to all golfers to make sure you haven't got people playing from tees that they don't have the ability to play from, causing them to hold the everyone up as they struggle from the back tees. It doesn't always make a huge amount of difference at some places, but as I said earlier in the thread my place is a beast from the tour tees.

Take your pick from what you think is the best tee for you to play from:
Tour - 7212 yards, rating 75.9, slope 145
Green - 6868 yards, rating 74, slope 139
White - 6360 yards, rating 71.5, slope 133
Yellow - 5835 yards, rating 69.2, slope 126

As you can see, it would be ridiculous to let a group of higher handicappers go out and play the tour tees. But on the other hand making a group of low handicappers play from the yellow tees would be equally as stupid. This is why I do not believe in a course having 'tees of the day'. You are always going to get visitors of varying abilities so each player should be taken on a player by player basis and allowed to play the tees that match their ability.

What about mixed ability groups - just pick from one of the middle 2 courses, or play off a variety of tees in each group?
 
What about mixed ability groups - just pick from one of the middle 2 courses, or play off a variety of tees in each group?

That's a sensible way for any non comp round.

Have a rough idea of the tee you want to play from. Then when you arrive at a hole and there is a 240 carry over a pond that no one fancies, walk forward a tee or two.
 
What about mixed ability groups - just pick from one of the middle 2 courses, or play off a variety of tees in each group?

Play from a variety of tees. Good thing about the US system is that you can do this and you get a handicap adjustment depending on the tee you play from. I play in a scratch (no handicaps) 3-ball role up on Sunday morning and we play from 3 different tees. Most of us use the white tees. But some of the older players use the yellow tees and the young gun Garrett who's looking at going on tour next year plays the tour tees.
 
No reason with technology as it is why you could not play the course with total flexibility

Pick and choose the most appropriate all the way round

Red, white, blue, black

If you have paid a green fee, the course should look at how to ensure you ENJOY your game

I remember St Mellion, it has a famous par 3 and i was really looking forward to playing it, NOPE, forward tee completely ruined the shot the pros were hitting 3 and 4 irons, i had shot of less than 150 yards!

Some of the other holes, i would preferred not to play off the back tee as it was 36 holes in one day and i felt god awful after my glorious 74 in the morning.
 
If the Greenkeeper has gone to the trouble of laying down White Tee Markers on the day you're playing why on earth would you not be allowed to play from them? As Paul said, you pay your money & take your choice.

My Societies only play off the Yellows of the day which is also great. Personally though I'd like to see what I achieve playing the course as the Architect originally planned.

Our white Tee markers are on the Tee for the whole season, but only for use in Comps and not by members or visitors at any other time, nothing to do with the greenkeeper going to any trouble, white Tee markers are only moved on competition days.
 
Doesn't everyone just play the 1st from the tee they're told to use and then go off the backs as soon as they're out of site?

No? Oops just me then;)

*Awaits lecture :)
 
Doesn't everyone just play the 1st from the tee they're told to use and then go off the backs as soon as they're out of site?

No? Oops just me then;)

*Awaits lecture :)

I've tried that a few times, normally get pulled up by a member before you get to the turn.

Made it as far as the 8th the last time we did that...
 
Doesn't everyone just play the 1st from the tee they're told to use and then go off the backs as soon as they're out of site?

No? Oops just me then;)

*Awaits lecture :)

Yep, and if I get caught by another member I just tell him the pro gave me permission as I'm having a practice round for a big event!
 
If the Greenkeeper has gone to the trouble of laying down White Tee Markers on the day you're playing why on earth would you not be allowed to play from them? As Paul said, you pay your money & take your choice.

My Societies only play off the Yellows of the day which is also great. Personally though I'd like to see what I achieve playing the course as the Architect originally planned.

You've maybe forgotten that the club that you are visiting has members, and that club members play in competitions that will be played off the White tees. And since comp play can be during the week, the white/comp tees have to be set out. Further the club may be one of those who only permits competition play from white tees and member casual play and visitor play is off yellows. No-one - member or otherwise - has any right to overrule what the club says about casual play.

[EDIT] Oops - point already made
 
Sorry mate, you're missing the point.
If a car was advertised with a top speed of 150mph and you could only get 130 out of it, wouldn't you complain????
If I read the review on a particular hole on a golf course I am planning on visiting, and a big thing is made of a massive fairway bunker at 280 out, I'd be a bit peeved off to find that due to the tees I am now forced to be playing off, said bunker is only 200 yards away.

Is that because it's now in range.
 
Depends on the club. At our place even members are only allowed to use the white tees on designated days so no reason why guests should be given something that is not available to members. If members can play off any tee then guests should have the same right.

Yep, I agree with this.
 
Maybe we buck the trend. We as members can play off the whites at any time and not just comps and a lot of us do so for every round. As a result we will allow green fees to play off the whites as well if they ask, although to be fair it isn't something we actively publicise, but we (as a club) won't make an absolute distinction about playing off tee of the day (yellow)
 
Completely with Smiffy on this one.

One Open Championship course charging £190 a round (back then) used to make a big thing about a certain tee in its marketing and photography, but when you got to that hole, you weren't allowed anywhere near that tee.

Don't want to play 7,200-yarders of course, but equally do want to play something vaguely resembling the course a particular club makes a big song and dance about in its self-promotion
 
Completely with Smiffy on this one.

One Open Championship course charging £190 a round (back then) used to make a big thing about a certain tee in its marketing and photography, but when you got to that hole, you weren't allowed anywhere near that tee.

Don't want to play 7,200-yarders of course, but equally do want to play something vaguely resembling the course a particular club makes a big song and dance about in its self-promotion

That's how I see it if you are paying the full advertised green fee you should have the option of playing the full course, especially when it comes to some of the top links courses were a hole can play completly different depending on the tees you use.

If you are playing on a reduced rate then the club could incorporate the other tees into the offer.
 
That's how I see it if you are paying the full advertised green fee you should have the option of playing the full course, especially when it comes to some of the top links courses were a hole can play completly different depending on the tees you use.

If you are playing on a reduced rate then the club could incorporate the other tees into the offer.

So what if the members who pay full membership fee can only play on tee of the day - would you expect different treatment to them. No visitor should ever expect to get more than what the member gets

It's up the club and no one else - if people don't want to pay the green fee to play of tee of the day then they always have the choice not to pay it.

But seeing how the top courses are always popular regardless of which tee people use seems that clubs seem to be getting it right.
 
Completely with Smiffy on this one.

One Open Championship course charging £190 a round (back then) used to make a big thing about a certain tee in its marketing and photography, but when you got to that hole, you weren't allowed anywhere near that tee.

Don't want to play 7,200-yarders of course, but equally do want to play something vaguely resembling the course a particular club makes a big song and dance about in its self-promotion

That is the thing with some of these courses, they advertise one thing and you get something else. I don't go to a high end expensive tour course because I have nothing better to do with my money, I go there because I want to play some of those famous holes we have watched on TV.

Imagine going to Sawgrass and being made to play the 17th from the 80 yard drop zone area rather than the full 160 over the pond. Or the 17th at the Old Course and being moved to the left so you don't have to drive off over the sheds.

We pay out a lot money to visit courses at there best, not to play it from an easier set of tees that removes all the real features from the course and you don't get the full experience.
 
That is the thing with some of these courses, they advertise one thing and you get something else. I don't go to a high end expensive tour course because I have nothing better to do with my money, I go there because I want to play some of those famous holes we have watched on TV.

Imagine going to Sawgrass and being made to play the 17th from the 80 yard drop zone area rather than the full 160 over the pond. Or the 17th at the Old Course and being moved to the left so you don't have to drive off over the sheds.

We pay out a lot money to visit courses at there best, not to play it from an easier set of tees that removes all the real features from the course and you don't get the full experience.

Quite! Par-3 16th on Gleneagles King's a classic example. Played from a great elevated tee when the Scottish Open was there, but you can't go up there as a visitor and the hole just simply isn't the same. Website flyover shows the hole being played from that back tee though...
 
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