If paying Green fees should you be able to choose which tee boxes you play off?

[freddielong]

So what if the members who pay full membership fee can only play on tee of the day - would you expect different treatment to them. No visitor should ever expect to get more than what the member gets

It's up the club and no one else - if people don't want to pay the green fee to play of tee of the day then they always have the choice not to pay it.

But seeing how the top courses are always popular regardless of which tee people use seems that clubs seem to be getting it right.

Absolutely a club member is in a completely different situation but if someone pays full rates they should get the full course, I bet there is noone here who membership fees divided by the number of rounds they play equals more than the visitors rates.

Full rates full course

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Absolutely a club member is in a completely different situation but if someone pays full rates they should get the full course, I bet there is noone here who membership fees divided by the number of rounds they play equals more than the visitors rates.

Full rates full course

Sorry but no - a visitor should never expect further treatmeant than what a member gets - if a member gets to play on any tee than so should a visitor , if a member can only play tee of the day then same for visitor - never should someone paying anything up to hundred maybe a bit more get better treatment than people who are paying thousands each year.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

That is the thing with some of these courses, they advertise one thing and you get something else. I don't go to a high end expensive tour course because I have nothing better to do with my money, I go there because I want to play some of those famous holes we have watched on TV.

Imagine going to Sawgrass and being made to play the 17th from the 80 yard drop zone area rather than the full 160 over the pond. Or the 17th at the Old Course and being moved to the left so you don't have to drive off over the sheds.

We pay out a lot money to visit courses at there best, not to play it from an easier set of tees that removes all the real features from the course and you don't get the full experience.

What''s the full experience though, some courses shorten holes during championship events over the 4 days, are you seriously suggesting all the top courses have the course set up exactly as they do during the events? Let the rough grow, tighten fairways, greens running at top speed or are you just happy with back tees and other elements eased off on?

 

[freddielong]

Sorry but no - a visitor should never expect further treatmeant than what a member gets - if a member gets to play on any tee than so should a visitor , if a member can only play tee of the day then same for visitor - never should someone paying anything up to hundred maybe a bit more get better treatment than people who are paying thousands each year.

Thats fine but I don't agree a member understands why the club maybe playing from a certain tee as a 1 off visitor I want the experience I am paying for I want to play the holes as they were designed to be played.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Thats fine but I don't agree a member understands why the club maybe playing from a certain tee as a 1 off visitor I want the experience I am paying for I want to play the holes as they were designed to be played.

But some courses were designed completely different and have had holes redesigned or lengthened, so which course are you wanting to play for what experience?

 

[freddielong]

But some courses were designed completely different and have had holes redesigned or lengthened, so which course are you wanting to play for what experience?

Seriously, are you really pretending not to understand?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Thats fine but I don't agree a member understands why the club maybe playing from a certain tee as a 1 off visitor I want the experience I am paying for I want to play the holes as they were designed to be played.

You are paying to play the course that the club allow you to play - they dictate the terms not the visitor, what you want will be secondary to what a club allows

 

[Robobum]

Why do clubs restrict their own members from playing any tee they want to? Weird

 

[freddielong]

You are paying to play the course that the club allow you to play - they dictate the terms not the visitor, what you want will be secondary to what a club allows

That's fine but unless it was somewhere I was desperate to play, I would pay the club down the road where they give me what I am paying for.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Seriously, are you really pretending not to understand?

I understand exactly, but we've gone from choosing a tee box to full experiences and how designers intended the course to be played, which on some courses has completely changed,

 

[freddielong]

I understand exactly, but we've gone from choosing a tee box to full experiences and how designers intended the course to be played, which on some courses has completely changed,

Of course some courses are redesigned, but they are always designed from the back tees forward, the full experience is always from the back.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Of course some courses are redesigned, but they are always designed from the back tees forward, the full experience is always from the back.

It's not though is it, tees are moved around, sometimes brought forward to bring hazards into play, to want to play every hole off every back tee is no more than a macho thing, back tees don't mean better, they just mean longer.

 

[freddielong]

It's not though is it, tees are moved around, sometimes brought forward to bring hazards into play, to want to play every hole off every back tee is no more than a macho thing, back tees don't mean better, they just mean longer.

Ok believe what you want when a hole is designed the first tee that goes in is the comp tee the rest are made to fit the members tees are after thoughts.

 

[MadAdey]

I understand exactly, but we've gone from choosing a tee box to full experiences and how designers intended the course to be played, which on some courses has completely changed,

I think this is the point though. When you go to play somewhere and you can't get to experience the course at it's best, then I feel cheated. I played somewhere that I had wanted to play and when I turned up the tees had been pulled forward. So any trouble on the hole was way shorter than I hit it and the tight troublesome driving holes were not a problem as I could just hit a hybrid off the tee.

I'm not saying that courses should be pulling the rough in tight and let it grow up, also putting the greens at over 12 on the stint would make the course unplayable for a lot of us. But I do want to have the fun of trying to hit that long iron into that tight par 4 like the pros rather than hitting a wedge because the tees have been pulled 60 yards.

I've used my place a couple of times on this thread as the prime example of how the course can have a huge variation from each tee box. I'm not skilled enough to enjoy it from the Tour tees, but going from the green tees is perfect for me as I am hitting the same clubs as the pros would, so getting a good idea how hard a tour course really is. Move me down to the gold tees and all of a sudden it becomes a pitch and putt course. The 8th is a perfect example, 225 from the back, 185 from the greens and 140 from the front. It's a bitch of a shot from the back 2 sets of tees into this narrow green, but come forward and it becomes a bland run of the mill par 3 for me.

 

[MadAdey]

It's not though is it, tees are moved around, sometimes brought forward to bring hazards into play, to want to play every hole off every back tee is no more than a macho thing, back tees don't mean better, they just mean longer.

We're talking about tour course that you pay a lot of money for the pleasure of playing now. They got built with tour events in mind so the architect built it to be played from the back tees. Slightly more generous greens to allow for long irons to be hit into and split level tight greens for wedges. When you start playing from forward tees then all of a sudden a green that was designed for long irons is now only a short iron making easy to hit and for me taking away from the experience.

What gives you more of a thrill, hitting a long iron into a green to set up a birdie, or hitting a wedge into a nice generous green.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

We're talking about tour course that you pay a lot of money for the pleasure of playing now. They got built with tour events in mind so the architect built it to be played from the back tees. Slightly more generous greens to allow for long irons to be hit into and split level tight greens for wedges. When you start playing from forward tees then all of a sudden a green that was designed for long irons is now only a short iron making easy to hit and for me taking away from the experience.

What gives you more of a thrill, hitting a long iron into a green to set up a birdie, or hitting a wedge into a nice generous green.

Some of the newer courses may of been built that way, but how many times do we hear, "X hole has been extended" or "they've redesigned the bunkers and hazard by the green"
Surely any course is about course management and using the right club at the right time,

 

[Imurg]

The problem isn't really where the tees are or which tee you're allowed/told to play from.
It's a "Championship" course advertising their 7500 yard "Championship" course, showing fly-bys of the "Championship" course but then only allowing you to play the non-Championship 6500 yard version.
If the full course is advertised then the full course should be playable - for members and visitors
If they don't want you to play the 7500 yarder then don't advertise it - advertise the 6500 yard one that people are going to play.
It's like advertising a film that lasts 2 hours but when you go, you have to leave after 90 minutes..
At the end of the day, when a course sucks you in with their 7500 yard Championship course advertising but only let you play a 6500 yard version, you are being ripped off.
Whether you want to play the full course is largely irrelevant. If it's advertised it should be available

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The problem isn't really where the tees are or which tee you're allowed/told to play from.
It's a "Championship" course advertising their 7500 yard "Championship" course, showing fly-bys of the "Championship" course but then only allowing you to play the non-Championship 6500 yard version.
If the full course is advertised then the full course should be playable - for members and visitors
If they don't want you to play the 7500 yarder then don't advertise it - advertise the 6500 yard one that people are going to play.
It's like advertising a film that lasts 2 hours but when you go, you have to leave after 90 minutes..
At the end of the day, when a course sucks you in with their 7500 yard Championship course advertising but only let you play a 6500 yard version, you are being ripped off.
Whether you want to play the full course is largely irrelevant. If it's advertised it should be available

Does anywhere advertise this way? I've seen adverts when these course's advertise specific events off the backs etc, do you honestly believe the top courses should change their advert to the tee of the day every day and do not all who advertise push the extreme, like some said, check with the course, if you don't like it, don't play it.

 

[Imurg]

First site I picked, Magnolia Park near me, states that it's a "sweeping Championship 18 hole course of about 7000 yards".(6946 to be accurate)
From the back tees, yes it is.
From the tee you have to play as a visitor it's 6556 - not a huge difference but on some holes it does change the shot.
I'm sure there are more........

 

[chrisd]

I suppose the moral of the story us to ask when booking which tees will you play off and if you're unhappy with the answer then don't book, or else negotiate a change of tee where possible.