Howard Webb,.... above his own station!!!!!?

[Deleted member 15344]

So on that basis you presumably have no issue with someone who behaves like a perfect gentleman at home and at work but cheats to win the club championship? After all it's only on the sports field, so it's no basis on which to judge anyone.

When did I say I had "no issue"

I would call him a cheat in golf - zero relevance to what he does at home

 

[fundy]

Again it's on the football pitch ( not saying it's right )

If he was biting people and abusing them away from the pitch then yes it's going to reflect on him as a whole

Not excusing his behaviour but people do act different on a sporting field than they do away from the sporting arena - characters differ.

They do but there is still a line and I personally am not happy to explain away everything as "on the sports field" when it has clearly crossed the line and is part of the persons character imo, and in Suarez case he has crossed that line

 

[Blue in Munich]

When did I say I had "no issue"

I would call him a cheat in golf - zero relevance to what he does at home

So integrity is negotiable then? Sorry not in my book, goodnight.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So integrity is negotiable then? Sorry not in my book, goodnight.

When did i say integrity is negotiable ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

They do but there is still a line and I personally am not happy to explain away everything as "on the sports field" when it has clearly crossed the line and is part of the persons character imo, and in Suarez case he has crossed that line

Can you point to any issues you have ever heard about from Suarez away from the football pitch ?

 

[fundy]

Can you point to any issues you have ever heard about from Suarez away from the football pitch ?

Why?

I dont need to, he has committed acts on the football pitch, that are part of his overall character, that are enough for me to make at least a partial assessment of him. You can't completely separate the 2, yes there are certain things that fall into the category of staying on the pitch but you cant blanket everything that happens on the football field as not part of his overall character, or at least I cant (for the record ive heard almost nothing about him off the field, i dont really care too much for what sports stars are doing when not playing)

 

[freddielong]

I know Liverpool want to blame Howard Webb but the reason IMHO they were not given the penalty is a lot closer to home Suarez, it is a modern day adaptation of the boy who cried wolf. I think because its Suarez there is automatically doubt then he launches into some bizarre re enactment of Michael Thomas's Goal celebration from 1989.

And if Webb hates Liverpool so much why didn't he send Gerrard and Sterling Off he would have been well with in the law to

 

[fundy]

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I know Liverpool want to blame Howard Webb but the reason IMHO they were not given the penalty is a lot closer to home Suarez, it is a modern day adaptation of the boy who cried wolf. I think because its Suarez there is automatically doubt then he launches into some bizarre re enactment of Michael Thomas's Goal celebration from 1989.

oh Freddie, one of the great nights Who puts the ball in the scousers net........

 

[freddielong]

Micky T and Smudger

 

[Deleted member 1740]

This thread has run its course now those links have been put up

 

[BTatHome]

Whats strange is that Webb has already made his decision before that acrobatics, you can already see his finger wagging to say no.

 

[freddielong]

Nights like that are why we watch football like Liverpool Milan or Man Utd Bayern munich

 

[freddielong]

because its Suarez he has Doubts

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Why?

I dont need to, he has committed acts on the football pitch, that are part of his overall character, that are enough for me to make at least a partial assessment of him. You can't completely separate the 2, yes there are certain things that fall into the category of staying on the pitch but you cant blanket everything that happens on the football field as not part of his overall character, or at least I cant (for the record ive heard almost nothing about him off the field, i dont really care too much for what sports stars are doing when not playing)

Well i separate the two - believe sportsman can display two types of characters and we can judge them as sportsmen and how they act on the field but privately away from the field and as human beings I don't believe we can. I know Suarez is not a nice person on the pitch - he has done some disgraceful things and as a footballer he has gone beyond what is acceptable and been rightly punished - there is no excuse for some of the things he has done.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

because its Suarez he has Doubts

And that's wrong - every challenge should be judged on it's own merit regardless of what has happened

Webb missed a clear penalty in front of him - regardless of what has happened before.

Webb should be penalised for his glaring mistake - just like everyone else is penalised when they make mistakes

 

[Deleted member 15344]

oh Freddie, one of the great nights Who puts the ball in the scousers net........

Broke my heart that night

Was the most emotional season in my life - full of heartache. We did amazing just to get it down to that final match.

Drama that couldn't be written

 

[ColchesterFC]

Well i separate the two - believe sportsman can display two types of characters and we can judge them as sportsmen and how they act on the field but privately away from the field and as human beings I don't believe we can. I know Suarez is not a nice person on the pitch - he has done some disgraceful things and as a footballer he has gone beyond what is acceptable and been rightly punished - there is no excuse for some of the things he has done.

But where do you draw the line on what someone can do on a sports pitch before you start judging them as a person? What if it was proved beyond any doubt that a footballer deliberately went in over the ball with the intention to break an opponents leg and end their career? Or if a cricketer deliberately threw a ball to hit a batsman causing him injury? Or if a baseball player attacked another player with a baseball bat and left them in intensive care? Can you really write those off just because they happened on a sports pitch?

 

[freddielong]

And that's wrong - every challenge should be judged on it's own merit regardless of what has happened

Webb missed a clear penalty in front of him - regardless of what has happened before.

Webb should be penalised for his glaring mistake - just like everyone else is penalised when they make mistakes

I don't agree if some one usually dives you have to be aware of that and it has to be part of the decision that you make for me if that happens to any other player on the pitch Howard Webb doesn't even think about it - IMO Suarez's past cheating cost Liverpool the chance of an equaliser

 

[Deleted member 15344]

But where do you draw the line on what someone can do on a sports pitch before you start judging them as a person? What if it was proved beyond any doubt that a footballer deliberately went in over the ball with the intention to break an opponents leg and end their career? Or if a cricketer deliberately threw a ball to hit a batsman causing him injury? Or if a baseball player attacked another player with a baseball bat and left them in intensive care? Can you really write those off just because they happened on a sports pitch?

Who is "writing them off" ?

When people start getting hurt badly and deliberately then yes you are starting to draw a line - that's when police etc get involved.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I don't agree if some one usually dives you have to be aware of that and it has to be part of the decision that you make for me if that happens to any other player on the pitch Howard Webb doesn't even think about it - IMO Suarez's past cheating cost Liverpool the chance of an equaliser

Wrong IMO - you judge each challenge on merit not reputation. Judge on reputation then lots of player will never get a decision and that makes the situation worse.

Webb incompetence cost us the chance to gain a goal - simple as that.