Howard Webb,.... above his own station!!!!!?
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Liverbirdie
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Get outa town!!!!!! Shocked and stunned - I'll have to get some of them totally biased glasses, although LiverpoolPhil may be able to tell me......
:whoo:The Suarez aftermath was a beautiful,balletic piece of gymnastic excellence. A triple salco with pike in footy boots is a sight to behold, and very hard to do....
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He's a part-time policeman isn't he, I'd think that does?
He also does motivation classes, so, its not just the after dinner speaking I was on about, he has a diverse amount of other distractions, as such my point was, as a 'professional' referee, shouldn't that now be his main duty and shouldn't they make all referees full-time and although they could do other things, the refereeing should be their main responsibility.
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Liverbirdie
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BTW JCW - I saw one thing last night which was on one of Sturridges early misses, Mertesacker done this massive swan dive up in the air after the ball had gone (without contact), how many out of 10 on the diving scale will you give that, he even done the tuck and roll thing afterwards. Amazing dexterity for a man of 6 foot 6, I think I even saw him put chalk on his hands before attempting it, but I may have had my biased glasses on momentarily. What say you?
Duckster
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Thought he was on sabbatical from the boys in blue whilst he does full time reffing. What's wrong with him earning a few quid extra anyway? So long as he wasn't doing an engagement the night before a match, what does it actually matter? Should Steven Gerrard not be allowed to do promotional adverts for EA Sports?
Personally, I think it comes down to human error. In the heat of the moment he missed something or he wasn't 100% sure that it was a foul. You cannot, even using the multitude of camera's in today's game, see what he saw in that split second.
People tend to get on at the ref's due to the amount of video evidence and having time afterwards to show it in slow-mo etc.. but football has always been a sport which has the element of human error. Be that by the ref, a goal keeper, a forward. Ref's do get punished (they get knocked down to lower leagues for a match or so) and yes, every once in a while they will have a stinker, but by the same thought-train, why should a forward not get punished and lambasted if he has a shot which hits the crossbar? He's a professional who should have full control over a football so he should have scored! Or a keeper who lets in a soft goal if it bobbles in front of him. It happens, it's horrible, get over it and move on.
It's arguments like this and ref's getting slaughtered in the press which stops younger people from actually becoming ref's which means you then have less ref's to chose from and obviously the standard will then diminish.
It's a part of the game and it's a game we all love. If people want us to put in lots of camera's and allow video ref's for all incidents so that a game of football takes longer than sky's build up for it then that'll be the day I stop watching footy on TV and stick to watching the amateur stuff at my local park.
ColchesterFC
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I haven't read all the posts but for me the refs now need to be made full-time and totally accountable. They shouldn't have other interests that dominate their lives like Webb has, these are clear distractions and as stated in this piece, his focus on the job in hand is then affected.
An interesting stat; Liverpool have won just six of the last 22 games refereed by Howard Webb
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-available-for-4000-on-comedians-website.html
But isn't a lot of that to do with the fact that Webb will tend to referee the "big" games so it will be Liverpool v Man City/Chelsea/Arsenal/Man Utd (when they were good)/Spurs so the chances are that Liverpool will lose a higher percentage of them than against Norwich/Hull/West Brom etc.
ColchesterFC
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And again it's making the stats give you the answer that you want from them. For instance.....
Liverpool have only lost 2 of their last 21 matches with Andre Marriner in charge
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/liverpool-fc/schiedsrichterdetail/verein_31_471.html
or Liverpool have lost 4 of their 7 games that Mike Jones has refereed
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/liverpool-fc/schiedsrichterdetail/verein_31_628.html
or Liverpool have only lost 1 out of 14 games that Michael Oliver has refereed
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/liverpool-fc/schiedsrichterdetail/verein_31_902.html
I'm not trying to defend Webb as he made several poor decisions in the game but it does come down to lies, damned lies and statistics.
Liverpool have only lost 2 of their last 21 matches with Andre Marriner in charge
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/liverpool-fc/schiedsrichterdetail/verein_31_471.html
or Liverpool have lost 4 of their 7 games that Mike Jones has refereed
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/liverpool-fc/schiedsrichterdetail/verein_31_628.html
or Liverpool have only lost 1 out of 14 games that Michael Oliver has refereed
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/liverpool-fc/schiedsrichterdetail/verein_31_902.html
I'm not trying to defend Webb as he made several poor decisions in the game but it does come down to lies, damned lies and statistics.
Liverbirdie
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That is a point that explains it a little bit. However, with the amount of bad decisions made by Webb from 5-10 yards away with a clear sight and slow-mo videos not needed, it smacks of something more than "just the way it is". The press and many neutrals also highlighted them as "how could he not give that" as well, not just LFC fans. The amount of decisions (not all) that were highlighted that Webb gave in favour of Man U, were the other end of the scale as well. Not just Webb, but when they are getting clear cut decisions wrong, as often as they are nowadays, it is time do something. I was vehemently against video refs 10 years ago, I am now in favour of them for the last 3-4 years, due to the standard of top referees in England.
freddielong
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Everyone thinks the refs are biased there was a study done for a few seasons that was published before the start of last season that actually showed that Arsenal has lost the most points due to poor referees but it was fairly close
bladeplayer
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Interesting piece in todays Star over here , ex ref Mark Halsey reckons Howard has too much going on at present and needs to focus more on his paid job , seemingly he does alot of after dinner talks etc ..
Tells ya what he thinks of his performances
Tells ya what he thinks of his performances
MegaSteve
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JCW
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Get outa town!!!!!! Shocked and stunned - I'll have to get some of them totally biased glasses, although LiverpoolPhil may be able to tell me......
Yes I am a gooner , thanks Fish , since 1969 , was there last year in the FA Cup vs Blackburn , they had 1 shot and scored , we had the rest of the game and never look like scoring . I was at the KOK Burnham & Berrow so never watch the game till I got home , Webb had a bad day , Sterling and SG were lucky to be on the pitch as was the Arsenal left back NM , can anyone explain LS fish out of water antics for the 2nd penalty , anyway the result stands now and its history
bladeplayer
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No idea mate, didnt even know he did them, but ref's & ex ref's , normally stick together & have very little negative to say about each other so even they must think he is slipping a bit
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Liverbirdie
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Good, the first step on the road to recovery is to admit it (being a gooner - why the big secret). I have already explained the LS dive, but how close do you think Mertersacker got to it, with his attempt? Come on now don't be biased......
Pi wouldn't pay any attention to Halsey, even Bt had to stop him giving opinions mid games due to him just looking for his own headlines. The bloke took all their support when he was ill now stabs his colleagues in the back. Howard made a mistake, but to say he's not a top ref would be laughable been as he's rated highly by uefa and FIFA. lattenburg on the other hand........
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Is that the same FIFA who dropped him for a period of time after the World Cup Final after making a shocking error by not sending off De Jong for his assault on Alonso
cookelad
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Can't help but think that had Webb been stood in the HNSP rather than behind Suarez, he'd have had a far better view of the incident as it was the contact between boot and shin was obscured by Suarez's leg
That would be the same Webb who they've since chosen to take to the World Cup. If you can name me a ref in England who doesn't and never has made a mistake I'll hold my hands up. They're are all human and mistakes occur. He's no different.
